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[Greendaybum5]

@Spence Lowry is a legit PG, but not top 5....Off top of my head 1) Curry 2) Westbrook 3) CP3 4) Lillard 5) Wall then I may even put Irving ahead of him. Once Teague is out of ATL or Schroder goes to the Sixers (one can dream ATL pulls the trigger) then Schroder is going to rise quickly too, but obviously he's not anywhere near the level of these guys yet.

[Spencer 555]

@Spence Lowry is a legit PG, but not top 5....Off top of my head 1) Curry 2) Westbrook 3) CP3 4) Lillard 5) Wall then I may even put Irving ahead of him. Once Teague is out of ATL or Schroder goes to the Sixers (one can dream ATL pulls the trigger) then Schroder is going to rise quickly too, but obviously he's not anywhere near the level of these guys yet.

I think Lillard is debateable, but at this point I'd definitely take lowry over Wall and Irving.

My argument is this: Do you believe Lillard, Wall or Irving can carry a team to a championship? If not then Lowry is your guy. Lillard probably could be the #1 option on a championship team, but it's close, and his defense is so bad that he needs to be hidden completely. Wall needs a jumpshot and some better players around him (to me he's a pg who needs better players around him to shine, reminds me of Rondo in his prime, but probably better offensively) before I give him a nod, and irving is lillard light.

In terms of raw talent, Lowry probably isn't top 10, but Lowry is easily the most reliable and solid pg of the bunch behind CP3. It's a damn shame he's been so bad in the playoffs consistently, because he's the main reason the raps won 56 games this year. Granted, the last two years the raps have been good because of the weak east, but this year Kyle was one of the best players in the entire NBA (not saying he is in terms of talent, but he was one statistically)

Think about it like this.

Here's our roster:

SG= Derozan: breakout season for him offensively, can't shoot threes and was one of the worse defensive players in the entire league
SF= James Johnson/terrence ross/Norm Powell: Carroll was out for most of the season injured and casey just played the matchups at this position. James Johnson is barely a player in this league, Terrence Ross is so inconsistent it hurts and Norm Powell played like 15 games at the end of the season because he was in the D league
PF= Luis fucking Scola? Learned how to shoot 3s, but was terrible both offensively and defensively.
C= Jonas Valanciunas: Started season looking like a beast, kobe broke his hand, came back and didn't look the same until way late and then completely broke out in the playoffs. Offensively and Defensively for most of the season JV was probably middle of the pack in terms of big men
6th man= Cory Joseph: Played SG beside kyle lowry for the most part in small ball lineups because derozan is so bad on defence. Defensively and offensively he was avg.
Backup PF= 2pat: Draymond Green SUPER light. Defensively, probably our best option at PF, but struggles to get rebounds. He had a down year offensively.
Backup C= Biyombo: Defensively a monster, gets rebounds. Offensively complete train wreck.

What about that entire roster tells u that it's a 56 win team? Kyle Lowry was brilliant and is underrated. Is there a reason we had a top 5 offense beyond kyle lowry? No. Same thing with the defense. How does a roster with derozan + ross on the wing (Train wreck defenders most nights) and Luis Scola/JV starting become a top 10 defense? Kyle lowry.

Kyle Lowry > Everything

[Lex]

I think Lillard is debateable, but at this point I'd definitely take lowry over Wall and Irving.

Lowry is significantly older than those 3 and isn't really better at all. Definitely wouldn't take him over them

[Spencer 555]

Lowry is significantly older than those 3 and isn't really better at all. Definitely wouldn't take him over them

Of course not if we're talking dynasty. This year tho, Lowry was probably the #4 or 5 pg.

Next year, I'd probably take lowry as well unless Lillard can take another step forward. A healthy Lowry should be able to replicate what he did this year. If this playoff lowry is the new lowry moving forward you obviously have to pick Lillard.

Long term, I think Wall is the best of the bunch. Only thing missing from Wall's game is a reliable jump shot and a remotely decent squad around him. That Wizards team is fucking terrible and Wall is obviously a play maker. Can't really make his teammates better if they consistently miss the open shots he gives them lol. I hope he reaches his potential, but I don't know if he will. He looked distraught at times this year and Paul Pierce didn't like him (Paul Pierce's opinion is pretty much gospel to me).

[Greendaybum5]

Of course not if we're talking dynasty. This year tho, Lowry was probably the #4 or 5 pg.

Next year, I'd probably take lowry as well unless Lillard can take another step forward. A healthy Lowry should be able to replicate what he did this year. If this playoff lowry is the new lowry moving forward you obviously have to pick Lillard.

Long term, I think Wall is the best of the bunch. Only thing missing from Wall's game is a reliable jump shot and a remotely decent squad around him. That Wizards team is fucking terrible and Wall is obviously a play maker. Can't really make his teammates better if they consistently miss the open shots he gives them lol. I hope he reaches his potential, but I don't know if he will. He looked distraught at times this year and Paul Pierce didn't like him (Paul Pierce's opinion is pretty much gospel to me).

For this year I'd have taken any of the guys I listed over Lowry. I've follow Lowry since his time at Nova (local guy for me), but while he's solid he doesn't have potential to take over a game like the other guys I listed do. Wall absolutely has ability to be top player on a contending team. Look at last year for proof. Wizards were beat up this year.

[Spencer 555]

For this year I'd have taken any of the guys I listed over Lowry. I've follow Lowry since his time at Nova (local guy for me), but while he's solid he doesn't have potential to take over a game like the other guys I listed do. Wall absolutely has ability to be top player on a contending team. Look at last year for proof. Wizards were beat up this year.

Lowry takes over games almost all the time lol. He took over vs the cavs and warriors in the regular season multiple times. In terms of scoring potential, I don't think Wall has a higher ceiling then lowry with his shot. They're both 22 ppg players in my mind. In terms of defence and vision, Wall could be a complete monster with the right players. Lillard and irving have the highest scoring potential obviously (25-28 ppg players?), but they're both poor man versions of steph and neither plays on a team that can hide the absolute trash defense they play. I'm sorry but ur totally wrong with that statement.

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