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[Spencer 555]

Gross Sano.

[Spencer 555]

Ben Wallace will not make the HOF

that's a joke

The joke is that you can't recognize and respect Ben as the best defensive big man to ever play the game. Only comparables are Hakeem Olajuwon and Bill Russell on that end.

[Maverik]

you can't even talk about Big Ben in the same sentence as Hakeem and Bill Russell

that's embarrassing for you to try to say that

Big Ben had a few good years on the defensive end and was a liability on the offensive end. He averaged 5.7ppg and 9.6ppg. If you honestly think that makes the HOF, you're just a fool.

He had ~6 good seasons, which means for over half his career, he was forgettable.

[Spencer 555]

Sure can, if you eliminate offensive production. I consider him on par or better then those two on the defensive end. Granted, big Ben was a 0 on offense comparing him to Russ and Olajuwon.

[Spencer 555]

And if you're about to say I can't eliminate the offensive end, I think the HOF has plenty of players who were only good on one side of the court. Ben was a completely dominant force on one side of the court, much like Iverson and Nash on offense. Don't think anyone will argue Iverson and Nash are hof players.

[Maverik]

I consider him on par or better then those two on the defensive end

well now we know you're just clueless

[The Professor]

I think Ben Wallace is a Hall of Famer, but barely. He's 16th in defensive win shares all time which is pretty impressive and Hall of Fame worthy, but his offensive game was trash. Remember, the game is more about getting buckets than stopping them, which is why offense is always important.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...ws_career.html

That's the link btw. Tim Duncan #2 bitches.

[Spencer 555]

well now we know you're just clueless

LOL based on what? Your impression? Base your argument on some kind of statistical analysis before tossing around insults like that. I'm so sick of arguing with people who deal in absolutes like they know everything.

[Spencer 555]

See this is why prof is awesome and I like conversing with him about basketball, he backs up his opinion with facts and analysis before disagreeing with me. Thank you for being cool prof.

[Maverik]

I gave you his garbage statline.

You gave nothing.

I like Big Ben, always been a fan.

You are just out of touch.