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[The Cheat]

Why is the NFC always so good and the AFC sucks ass?

[bdog1321]

cowboys are comically bad

[Hugh]

Cowboys have been one of the worst coached teams in the NFL for at least a decade.

[KBHoleN1]

How I feel watching the Cowboys.

https://media.tenor.com/images/46132c3feeb1085ef2064c6991ba24aa/tenor.png

[bludhoundz]

Cowboys have been one of the worst coached teams in the NFL for at least a decade.

I agree. I also think there's an issue at the ownership level. Like ok, he's the GM too basically and yes they drafted/signed/traded for a bunch of talented players. No denying it, the Cowboys roster is pretty well constructed. But who's the star of the Cowboys? It's not Dak, it's not Zeke. It's Jerry Jones. Him being too involved adds this whole additional layer of drama to the organization. Think about it, how often do they zoom in on him in the box compared to other owners? Then you hear about him in the locker room all the time, I've seen him on the fucking sideline during the middle of the game before. I think he came down there in the 4th quarter in a close game. Plus he's very outspoken in general and I think that just brings a lot of unnecessary attention and raises the pressure for everyone.

Culture starts at the top and trickles down. That team is always gonna have the spotlight on, so everything gets blown up. And its worse when things are actually happening as opposed to all being quiet.

[Hugh]

All good points and true. One thing I always loved about the Seahawks was Paul Allen (RIP). He was the richest owner in the NFL and relatively speaking I don’t think it was close. Like Paul Allen literally owned a billion dollars worth of yachts. Just yachts alone. I heard once that The Octopus, the largest privately owned boat on earth, is worth like $500 million.
But he never gave one press conference. Paul Allen never wanted to be the face of the Seahawks. He just wanted to be a behind the scenes owner, and I know there are plenty of owners like that, but whenever I hear that egomaniac Jerry Jones talking bullshit on the mic it makes me glad he’s not the owner of my team.

[Hulky]

Stan Kroenke was close if you go by husband + wife net worth. His wife is Ann Walton, and her father was the brother of Sam Walton of Walmart. They each have around 10bil I think.

[bdog1321]

Unpopular opinion but the seahawks aren't that good. They're the cowboys from 2018. They win a bunch of close games that historically are usually around .500. They'll be worse next year

[bdog1321]

In fact I'd argue they're not even as good as the cowboys this year. Worse in most meaningful stats. Wilson is just a wizard

[Hugh]

Well we sure look like dogshit so far tonight.

[bludhoundz]

Rams have been a problem for the Hawks for a while now. I'd be willing to bet that the pressure rate Russell Wilson has faced in his career vs the Rams is double that he faces on his average game out of all the other games in his career. For sure the Rams having a nasty d line and Hawks' pass protection game not being great has been a factor, but there's just some divisional beef thing here. The Rams just tend to win these games more than the Seahawks.

That said, I think Wilson has masked a lot of the team's deficiencies. I don't think their defense is actually that good. Unlike some of the other top contenders in the NFC like the 49ers and Saints. Though their defenses didn't show up today, they've been pretty strong all year. I think they're still good enough to make a run but I think their defense is going to need to step up and live on takeaways, like the '09 Saints or '10 Packers who had mid level defenses that just took the ball away a ton.

[Hugh]

Yeah for sure. Our defense is somewhat opportunistic but I know they aren’t on the level of the Niners or Saints. The Seahawks had an elite defense for a long time. I know what one looks like. This ain’t it.
But the last couple of games they started playing better. Tonight was one of those rare games when we just couldn’t do shit on either side, and like you said that seems to happen against the Rams more often than not.

[KBHoleN1]

Just looked at Russell's splits vs all teams (just regular season). He has losing records against 3 of them. 1-2 vs Saints, 0-2 vs Chargers (weird), and 7-9 vs the Rams. 3-7 against the Rams over the last 5 seasons. So definitely some fuckery going on when compared to the Seahawks' dominance over the rest of the NFL (78-30-1 in Wilson's time in Seattle).

[bdog1321]

So wilson is now Aaron rodgers. Good enough to carry a meh team. Both of them have good ground games this year, which is why I think their teams are winning games. The packers aren't that good either

[Hugh]

He’s certainly that level but I figured everyone knew that by now.
As far as Dallas goes they’ve put up impressive numbers against absolute shit teams all year, and by that I mean the entire NFC East. That division is a a dumpster fire.
The Cowboys don’t have a win over a team with a .500 or better record, and it’s week 14. Meanwhile the Seahawks are 10-3 in the toughest division in football. So Dallas might have some impressive numbers but I’d slow down on saying they’re a better team than Seattle.

[The Cheat]

I think we can all agree on one thing:

It is good to see New England lose.

[bludhoundz]

For sure. It was interesting watching the game they lost to the Chiefs. It played out in a way you'd almost expect to go the other way. Like so many times I'd see other "elite" teams lose to the Patriots by trying every way possible and still fall up short in the end. We've seen it with teams like the Chiefs, Broncos, etc. But this time it was the Pats that you could see tried so hard to win and were just clawing back but couldn't do it.

[The Cheat]

Why can't the Texans stay good?

[bdog1321]

they've been drinking the same water as the cowboys

[bludhoundz]

So I'm pretty sure nobody's surprised the Ravens whooped the Jets asses last night

But one thing that I think is really cool is the energy that Mark Ingram is bringing (best part is 2 mins in):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfQClY2VzO0

It's definitely kind of weird, he's acting kinda clownish in a way but he just feels like the hypeman for the team. I bet everyone on their team feeds off this and I think that's dope

[The Cheat]

Guys,

How am I suppose to feel about San Fran being good again? Should I hate them? Like them? Don't give two shits about them?

[Hugh]

Hate them. It’s what you do.

[bdog1321]

Who is cowboy

[Hugh]

Cowboys look great today and against a hot team that was rolling. Maybe they’re getting it together finally.

[Hulky]

cant believe this bullshit jaguars 4th quarter comeback for the last game in Oakland

[Hugh]

I just literally read a story about Antonio Brown accusing his ex girlfriend of using his credit card after they broke up.
Maybe cancel the fucking card you gave her, dipshit. It’s a phone call. How stupid is this guy?

[The Cheat]

Lol @ San Fran

[bludhoundz]

Pretty sure Drew Brees has like a 90% chance to go berserk any time he plays on Monday Night Football

29/30, 300 yards, 4 tds. Breaks Peyton's all-time td record. Breaks the completion % record. Jesus man

[Hugh]

Goat?

[Hulky]

Congrats to Drew Brees on TD record

[Hugh]

Winston threw 2 interceptions for TDs in the first 3 minutes of this game. Lol. He sucks so fucking much.

[bludhoundz]

Someone get Rich Eisen the hell outta the booth. He's called Watson Winston and Winston Watson more often than he's gotten their names correct today.

[Hugh]

He literally just did it again. Lol.

[Hugh]

Okay, obviously Winston doesn’t suck. He has like 5000 yds already or close.
I just hate how he throws the ball into traffic CONSTANTLY. Shit would drive me nuts if he was our QB.
But he can obviously sling it. 27 interceptions this season and it’s not over yet, though. That’s literally why they’re only .500.

[Hugh]

Jimmy G has been making some seriously clutch throws under pressure lately. Hate to admit it but he’s really good.

[Hulky]

of the irrelevant games tonight or mostly dont care, I think Lev Bell how many stats does he get v. PIT is kinda interesting

[bludhoundz]

Same but I sat him in fantasy. No truss

[Hugh]

It’s funny how earlier in the season we were talking about who the worst team was. Dolphins, Jets, Redskins? I think I even said the Dolphins were one of the worst teams in the Super Bowl era. I’m not sure what ass I pulled that out of.
I don’t remember anyone saying the Bengals. Bad sure but not in the conversation for the absolute worst.
It’s not even an argument now. They’re getting trounced by the Dolphins and Fitzpatrick looks like Drew Brees against them.
Bengals win the worst team award.

[Hulky]

crazy all four shit teams all tied up
NYG 35 v WAS 35
CIN 35 v MIA 35

[Hugh]

Holy shit I didn’t even see that. I thought the Dolphins/Bengals game was over.

[Hugh]

Seahawks are likely done winning this year. Duane Brown needs surgery. Chris Carson is out and his backup broke his arm today. Clowney didn’t even dress.
With a $35 million a year QB we don’t have much left for depth. If Seattle is healthy we are good, but unlike some teams we can’t lose starters and still do what we do. Most importantly protect Wilson. Backups couldn’t even slow down Arizona today and they were just rushing 4.

[bdog1321]

Who is cowboy

Who is cowboy

[Hulky]

Are the Cowboys going to let Amari walk?

If so, I know it would be kinda dick, but I think he is exactly what Philly needs for Wentz to bounce back.

[The Cheat]

I still have a gut feeling Pats beat Ravens in playoffs. :(

[Hulky]

Marshawn Lynch is the man

[bdog1321]

Nah wentz just sucks

[Hugh]

Help us, Marshawn Lynch. You’re our only hope.

[Hugh]

NFL Network is doing top 100 players all time and next up is QBs.
If they put Troy Aikman on that list I fucking swear to god...
It will prove once and for all that’s he’s a Sith Lord. I’ve suspected the Sith runs the NFL for years.

[Hulky]

I hope he gets a tad from a yard out so bad. I bet he has an awesome celebration lined up if it happens

Also another beastquake plz

[Hulky]

NFL Network is doing top 100 players all time and next up is QBs.
If they put Troy Aikman on that list I fucking swear to god...
It will prove once and for all that’s he’s a Sith Lord. I’ve suspected the Sith runs the NFL for years.

Top 100 qb or like top 100 any player because he is top 100 qb but def not top 100 player

Without a lot of thought I would say he is about the 30th best qb

[Lex]

The NFL 100 is already a joke. They left Adrian Peterson and Ladanian Tomlinson off the RB list and left TO off the receiever list.

[Hugh]

Oh no it’s top 100 players all time. I don’t know how many QBs will be on the list but obviously not too many.

[Hugh]

The NFL 100 is already a joke. They left Adrian Peterson and Ladanian Tomlinson off the RB list and left TO off the receiever list.

Yeah you’re right it’s pretty stupid. Joe Namath is a finalist? Lol. My god, he was absolute garbage.
Joe Namath completed 50% of his career passes, threw almost 50 more interceptions than TDs and finished with a passer rating of 65.5. I don’t care what era he played in, that’s trash. He played for NY, won the Super Bowl and wore a fur coat on the sideline. I get it. Broadway Joe was cool.
But even mentioning him as possibly one of the greatest QBs ever is fucking ridiculous.

EDIT- And Walter Jones should have made the tackles list. Best ever.

[Hulky]

No order just going to rattle off some potential top 100 imo

49ers
Joe Montana
Jerry Rice
Ronnie Lott
TO
Charles Haley

Rams
Jack Youngblood
Deacon Jones
Aaron Donald
Marshall Faulk

Seahawks
The WR I’m blanking on his name Largent?
Walter Jones
Someone in the legion of boom, imma pick Sherman but maybe it’s Earl Thomas
Russell Wilson

Cardinals
Imma put Emmitt Smith here but he sucked as a Cardinal
Larry Fitzgerald

Broncos
John Elway
Shannon Sharpe
Champ Bailey
Von Miller?

Raiders
Charles Woodson
Willie Brown
Rod Woodson including here like Emmitt as a Card
Bo Jackson or Marcus Allen

Chargers
Junior Seau
LT
Kellen Winslow

Chiefs
Mahomes
Derrick Thomas
Fuck this team

Packers
Farve
Aaron Rodgers
Reggie White
Some from the early years

Lions
Barry Sanders
Calvin Johnson

Vikings
Fran Tarkenton
Randy Moss
Adrian Peterson
I’m blanking on his name the undersized fast dt from the 90s

Bears
Walter Payton
Mike Ditka
Mike Singletary
Brian Urlacher

Steelers
Ben
Joe Greene
Troy
Terry

Ravens
Ray Lewis
Ed Reed
Suggs
Ogden

Bengals
The LT Munoz?

Browns
Jim Brown

Colts
Peyton Manning
Johnny Unitas
Marvin Harrison
Freeney? Bob Sanders? Mathis? I dunno maybe Unitas wr

Titans oilers
That massive oilers rb
Eddie George
McNair
Moon
I’m missing someone really obvious from oilers def

Jaguars
Nope

Texans
Jj Watt
Andre Johnson

Saints
Brees

Falcons
Vick for revolutionizing the position maybe?
Deon Sanders

Buccs
Warren Sapp
Derrick Brooks

Panthers
Steve Smith?
Julius Peppers

Cowboys
Roger Staubach
Randy White
Kinda listed cowboys under other teams

Giants
LT

Skins
Hogs ol best of bunch maybe Russ Grimm
That super fast cb that played into his 40s

Philly
Brian Dawkins was cool

Dolphins
Marino
Grieses RB that I can’t spell his name old guy

Jets
The DT
Revis

Pats
Brady

Bills
Thurman Thomas

[The Cheat]

Damn you Lynch. Why are you trying to help Seattle win when everyone (minus hugh) wants them to lose. Fuck.

[Hugh]

Never mind. Walter Jones made the list. I just missed it.
I apologize NFL.
Also Cortez Kennedy was one of the greatest Seahawks ever.

[bludhoundz]

Era-adjusted QBs are nonsense. I agree that if your completion percentage was dookie and threw a ton of picks you shouldn't be on the list. I don't even think Joe Namath is cool, he's pretty lame to me. Thinks hes a bigshot for winning a game where his team scored 16 points and the other team scored 7. Yeah, you were definitely the most important factor in that one :ok:

[bdog1321]

He's in all those commercials on fox news for old folks products now too, he sounds about 90

[The Cheat]

Bdog for Cowboys GM.

[Hugh]

I pulled my Marshawn Lynch jersey off the hanger for tomorrow. Honestly never thought I’d wear it again. I’m ridiculously excited to see him play for us again, no matter what happens.

[Hulky]

wow Dolphins beat the Pats

[Hugh]

Jameis Winston broke 5,000 yards and finished with an astonishing 30 interceptions, the most thrown in a season since 1988. Impressive.

[bludhoundz]

wow Dolphins beat the Pats

Shouldn't be that surprising. The Dolphins beat the Pats about once every year and people are shocked each time.

[bdog1321]

bills fan mode activated

[bdog1321]

seahawks got absolutely robbed

[Hugh]

Absolutely. But the timeout Pete burned for no fucking reason and then the fucking delay of game penalty on the 1 fucking yard line cost us the division. I don’t know how we can be that stupid. I really don’t.
Now the Niners are the #1 seed with a freeway to the SB simply because we are fucking retarded.
You’re welcome, TO.

[bdog1321]

Absolutely. But the timeout Pete burned for no fucking reason and then the fucking delay of game penalty on the 1 fucking yard line cost us the division. I don’t know how we can be that stupid. I really don’t.
Now the Niners are the #1 seed with a freeway to the SB simply because we are fucking retarded.
You’re welcome, TO.

It's okay you'll thump philly. The seahawks under Pete Carroll have never been one and done in the playoffs

Except last year
On the road
Against the nfc east
Jk you'll stomp them

[The Butcher]

Birdgang.

[The Butcher]

Jameis Winston broke 5,000 yards and finished with an astonishing 30 interceptions, the most thrown in a season since 1988. Impressive.

Carson had 4000 yards passing and no 1 receiver had 500 or more. Another interesting stat FWIW

[bludhoundz]

I could see Philly beating Seattle. I could see them beating Green Bay too. But I think New Orleans and San Fran are really bad matchups for them

[The Butcher]

the medical tent is a bad match up for us

[The Cheat]

Browns fired their coach and I am pleased.

[Hugh]

It’s like their 7th coach in a decade. Soon to be 8th.

[The Cheat]

Why can't I be the next Browns coach? It can't get any worse.

[Hulky]

hilarious they fired the GM like its a talented team just hire a damned coach

[Hugh]

What a great opening drive from the Bills. Josh Allen is pretty awesome.

[Hugh]

Who would have thought the Titans would bench their franchise QB for Ryan Tannehill and beat the Patriots in the playoffs the same year? Amazing.

[Spencer 555]

Bills </3

[Hugh]

I feel like there were a lot of bad decisions made in that game by both teams. Sloppy coaching and some genuine panic from players. Even the decision to attempt the game winning FG on 1st down at the end was dicey. Turned out ok but we’ve seen so much bad happen with chip shot FGs and extra points this year. So many fuckups.
But Watson’s big escape and conversion at the end was one of the plays of the season. He’s one of those QBs you can do everything right against, and the Bills did most of the day, and he can still kill you with that offscript brilliance. There aren’t many who can.

[Hulky]

I dunno if you guys knwo this but Derrick Henry is the all time high school varsity rusher and if you haven't seen his stats they are hilarious. Just imagine that guy (but slightly smaller) bowling over the Patriots yesterday doing it against HS kids.

Freshman year: 313 Carries - 2465 Yards - 7.9 YPA - 26 TD
Sophmore year: 313 Carries - 2788 Yards - 8.9 YPA - 38 TD
Junior year: 309 Carries - 2610 Yards - 8.4 YPA - 34 TD
Senior year ( when he was 6'3 240 lol): 462 carries - 4261 Yards - 9.2 YPA - 55 TDs

This is his senior year lol
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EE1IptUXYAA-FTH?format=jpg&name=small

[Hugh]

I didn’t know that, Hulky. That’s hilarious.

[bludhoundz]

That's amazing lmao

All these games have been close and good so far

[Hugh]

I’m glad for the Vikings. Cousins came huge at the end. What a game.
Playoffs have been awesome so far.

[Hulky]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e2yfWsFk3c

[Hulky]

The MArshawn TD was sick, and then Metcalfs bomb. I'd like Ertz to get another SB but with the injuries this year they are kinda fucked regardless. Go Seahawks.

Ravens, Chiefs, 49ers, Seahawks, Vikings are the teams I wouldn't mind in the SB. Please no Packers v. Titans or something equally meh.

[Hugh]

Go Hawks!
Breakout game for DK Metcalf. Sucks Wentz got hurt again but I’ve been saying it for a couple of years. He’s not going to last in the NFL. He’s just not durable.

[The Cheat]

Great weekend of games other than the seattle win. Boo.

When Pats lost I almost passed out with joy.

Also fuck the saints. lol they lose.

[bludhoundz]

the medical tent is a bad match up for us

truth

[The Butcher]

Sucks Wentz got hurt again but I’ve been saying it for a couple of years. He’s not going to last in the NFL. He’s just not durable.

Srs?

He's not durable when fucking dipshits launch at the back of his head with their own head as he's on the ground, yeah. That injury had nothing to do with Wentz being soft.

Congrats on the win though, don't mind you being happy Hugh.

[Hugh]

I also can’t believe they didn’t flag Clowney for the hit on Wentz. Not only was it helmet to helmet but Wentz was already on the ground. Only thing I can think is no ref saw the hit clearly, amazing as it sounds. They always call that.
I saw 2 Eagles jump offsides on defense so clearly that you could see it from the cheap seats and apparently the line judge, who’s job is to fucking stare at the line of scrimmage, missed it. NFL refs continue to be trash across the board.
They kept talking about the “90 years of collective experience” or whatever the crew had and none of them can tell their ass from a hole in the ground.

[The Butcher]

I also can’t believe they didn’t flag Clowney for the hit on Wentz. Not only was it helmet to helmet but Wentz was already on the ground. Only thing I can think is no ref saw the hit clearly, amazing as it sounds. They always call that.
I saw 2 Eagles jump offsides on defense so clearly that you could see it from the cheap seats and apparently the line judge, who’s job is to fucking stare at the line of scrimmage, missed it. NFL refs continue to be trash across the board.
They kept talking about the “90 years of collective experience” or whatever the crew had and none of them can tell their ass from a hole in the ground.

I like this post much better. I thought the last one was defending the Wentz hit.

The cunt refs explanation was that it was "incidental contact", which you can see clearly from any replay that it was contact with the intent to injury. AKA targeting.

Surprised the refs got out of there alive. That being said, it was the 93rd injury of the season, we were barely hanging on. I honestly didn't feel like holding my breath the entire playoffs again, shit is stressful.

Let em rest

Seattle is a good team, usually always are. I was extremely annoyed with Lynch scored that touchdown, old ass bitch. And the 4th string defense couldn't tackle. Just frustrating all around.

[Hugh]

Sorry, Butch. I wasn’t trying to justify the hit. It’s weird because I haven’t seen anything like that from Clowney before, and I haven’t heard he had a rep of dirty play from Houston, so I can’t really explain something that looked so blatant from him. But we all saw it, so it is what it is.

[The Cheat]

I have a funny feeling that Seattle makes the SB. That would be awful.

[Hugh]

Keep the hate coming, TC.

[bdog1321]

Lol giants

[The Cheat]

Bdog how do you feel about your new coach?

But yes...lol Giants.

[Hulky]

only good hire so far looks like the Skins tbh

[Hugh]

Don’t know what’s to hate about the Joe Judge hire? Because he’s been on the Patriots staff for 8 years?
Yeah they don’t know anything about winning over there...
It’s better than hiring someone like Garrett who already proved he can’t win, even with talent, even with a QB, even in a shit division.

[Hulky]

I don;t think any one knows who Joe Judge is which makes the hire neither good nor bad.

I think Mike McCarthy is a lower meh hire, and I don't like the Panthers hire much. The Ron Rivera hire though is hiring a 2x coach of the year.

[The Butcher]

Sorry, Butch. I wasn’t trying to justify the hit. It’s weird because I haven’t seen anything like that from Clowney before, and I haven’t heard he had a rep of dirty play from Houston, so I can’t really explain something that looked so blatant from him. But we all saw it, so it is what it is.

The hit is one thing, i mean it's football and people are nasty. I'm a philly fan.. I yell out "KILL THAT FUCKER" at least 5 times a game.

But him going and taunting philly fans in the stadium after the game, taunting them to a reporter afterwards.. that's a real bad look. The fact he doesn't understand that he was getting hate because his dirty hit took our franchise quarterback out of the game for like the 10th fucking time.

I would have thrown a brick at that cocksucker real quick. The fuck he thinks he is?

I don't like that shit at all. I was omega-triggered

[The Cheat]

Because so many ex-pats staff members do good as HC. lol.

[bdog1321]

The hit is one thing, i mean it's football and people are nasty. I'm a philly fan.. I yell out "KILL THAT FUCKER" at least 5 times a game.

But him going and taunting philly fans in the stadium after the game, taunting them to a reporter afterwards.. that's a real bad look. The fact he doesn't understand that he was getting hate because his dirty hit took our franchise quarterback out of the game for like the 10th fucking time.

I would have thrown a brick at that cocksucker real quick. The fuck he thinks he is?

I don't like that shit at all. I was omega-triggered

philly fans don't like when opposing players act like philly fans :P

[bludhoundz]

Curious to see how the coaching thing will play out. I would've been cool with Wink Martindale or Eric Bieniemy but don't know much about Joe Judge. Seems like a conceptually good hire but no idea how it'll actually play out.

I don't know too much about Matt Rhule but the Panthers almost certainly downgraded. A bit annoyed the Skins were smart enough to get Rivera. Not sure how I feel about McCarthy to the Cowboys. He's definitely an upgrade on what they had and was once considered one of the better coaches in the league, but he did manage to break an offense containing Aaron Rodgers. And he does fall into the camp (admittedly the majority of coaches do) of guys who throw really stupid challenge flags

lmao:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1215019706618388482

[Greendaybum5]

Curious to see how the coaching thing will play out. I would've been cool with Wink Martindale or Eric Bieniemy but don't know much about Joe Judge. Seems like a conceptually good hire but no idea how it'll actually play out.

I don't know too much about Matt Rhule but the Panthers almost certainly downgraded. A bit annoyed the Skins were smart enough to get Rivera. Not sure how I feel about McCarthy to the Cowboys. He's definitely an upgrade on what they had and was once considered one of the better coaches in the league, but he did manage to break an offense containing Aaron Rodgers. And he does fall into the camp (admittedly the majority of coaches do) of guys who throw really stupid challenge flags

lmao:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1215019706618388482

Love Matt Rhule (I'm a Temple Grad), just always a mystery about a college coach going to NFL. Hate that the cowboys got rid of Garrett for McCarthy (simply because I think it makes Dallas much better). The Giants new coach is a bit of a mystery. Only 2 Belicheck disciples have winning records as Head Coaches, but who knows the guy seems to be a no nonsense smart guy and NYG definitely has talent on the roster.

[The Cheat]

Wonder why Rivera went to Washington. He had the pick of the litter, could have gone anywhere.

[Hugh]

So the XFL extra points will work like this. No kicking at all. You can try I play from the 2 yard line for 1 point, from the 3 yard line for 2 points or from the 10 yard for 3 points.
I think it’s fucking brilliant.

[Hulky]

Everyone should go for 3 in that system tbh

[Hugh]

Except the 3 point play will practically be a guaranteed pass. Everyone defense will have 3 down and everyone else off the line in coverage. It’s just one play. I think the 3 point play will be very low success rate.

[bludhoundz]

I think analytics will likely show that the 3 yard 2-point conversion would be best. It's only one extra yard from the 1 point play so the success rate can't be THAT much lower. So your expected value will almost certainly go up. Twice as many points x more than half as likely = better value

[The Butcher]

philly fans don't like when opposing players act like philly fans :P

Dallas fans don't like when Philly keeps them out of the playoffs :P

[Hulky]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsI6x-Z1mDQ

lol

[bdog1321]

Dallas fans don't like when Philly keeps them out of the playoffs :P

maybe most years (when did it happen last, 2008?), but this year i was quite okay with it

[Hugh]

Niners just buried Minnesota. Ran right at them all day and completely shut them down.

[bludhoundz]

Ravens getting smacked

[Hugh]

Amazing what Henry and the Titans are doing.

[Hulky]

I kinda wonder if this factors into MVP tbh

[bludhoundz]

It does a little, that's why they leave the voting until later in the postseason. But I'd be really surprised if it isn't Jackson. If Wilson hadn't slowed down in the second half of the season, I think he could have snatched it away with 2 huge games here. But Jackson's too far ahead I think

[Hulky]

It does a little, that's why they leave the voting until later in the postseason. But I'd be really surprised if it isn't Jackson. If Wilson hadn't slowed down in the second half of the season, I think he could have snatched it away with 2 huge games here. But Jackson's too far ahead I think

Like Derrick Henry low key has 1273 rushing yards and what like 15 rushing TDs... since week 10 (including the 2 playoff games). He's going over 2k regular season + playoffs. I kinda think Henry is MVP especially if they advance to the SB.

[Hugh]

That’s a really good point. He’s the NFL rushing leader and just ran all over the Pats and Ravens at home.

[The Cheat]

I am afraid to say this but this is what I believe. if Seattle wins today, they win it all :(

[bludhoundz]

That's a good point Hulky

[Hugh]

I am afraid to say this but this is what I believe. if Seattle wins today, they win it all :(

Preach it, TC.
Please list the teams you hate most to least still remaining.

[Hugh]

Willie Mcginnest is interviewing JJ Watt and they were standing face to face and hugging, all of that.
Seriously Mcginnest is bigger than Watt. It just taller but he’s looks bigger or just as big. I forgot how fucking huge he is.

[Hulky]

Apparently MVP voting ends at the end of the regular season so MVP is prolly 1) Lamar, kinda distant 2) Russell Wilson, 3) Christian McCafferey.

[Hugh]

Yeah I’m sure it is, but it’s crazy the rushing yards and TDs leader has never even been really mentioned in that conversation all year, and he’s on a playoff team. Honestly it’s one of the quietest great seasons I can ever remember from any player.

[The Cheat]

So...what caused the Ravens to lose? i think they had too much time off and the Titans came in hyped as fuck.

[Hugh]

Yep. Football can evolve and change 1000 ways but look at how the Niners and Titans dominated this weekend.
Running it up the gut over and over again. Worked 100 years ago and it still works today.

[Hulky]

I need this last game to kinda suck. Got Aaron Jones and GB DST no Seahawks and nothing in the passing game. I guess it could happen if its cold enough.

[Hugh]

Seahawks motto - It’s not about how you start, it’s how you finish.
Except when it’s about how you start. Once again we don’t show up until after halftime. I wish Seattle would have their chin straps on to start a game at least in the fucking playoffs. Oh well. Rogers made some clutch throws.
Niners are gonna kill them.

[bludhoundz]

Yeah, they are.

Saints Niners is the NFC champ game we deserved, but whatever.

Hoping for KC SF superbowl

[Hugh]

I’m all about KC now. Andy Reid deserves a ring more than anyone else still left, player or coach.

[KBHoleN1]

I’m all about KC now. Andy Reid deserves a ring more than anyone else still left, player or coach.

This is true.

[The Cheat]

question: Why do the Texans constantly fail? They have good players. Does it all come down to coaching?

[The Cheat]

Going into the playoffs I said I don't want Saints, Pats, or Seahawks to win. There are all gone.

This is a strange feeling because for the first time in many years, I have no issue with any team left. Whoever wins I'll be ok with it. Strange feeling.

[bludhoundz]

Texans have a few superstars but their overall depth is not great imo. But yes I think their coach is bad also

I feel similar Cheat. I just wanted Philly and New England gone. That's usually all I ever want. Philly vs New England, despite being a really good game, was a very very disappointing superbowl matchup for me. Whatever happens here I'm fine

[Spencer 555]

Who is your team, cheat?

[The Cheat]

Who is your team, cheat?

Don't really have one. Have a soft spot for the Browns since I was born there but no number 1 fav.

[bludhoundz]

So Luke Kuechly retired.

What?

[bdog1321]

April fool's

[Hugh]

So Luke Kuechly retired.

What?

He’s smart, young, healthy and rich. His net worth is around $25 million.
Why the fuck keep playing football? Why continue to risk turning his brain into a bowl of scrambled eggs? This CT shit is real. Players just like him are losing their minds and killing themselves because of too many shots to the head. Look at Junior Seau. I’m guessing he’s one of Kuechly’s idols.
I get risking it all for the dream of getting to the NFL and making millions, but he’s done it and then some. He became the very best at what he does. 5x all pro. He made it to the SB but it wasn’t in the cards and now the Panthers are going to have to rebuild.
You’re going to see a lot more players like Luck and Kuechly hanging it up in their prime and using their heads for something other than a speed bag.

[Greendaybum5]

He’s smart, young, healthy and rich. His net worth is around $25 million.
Why the fuck keep playing football? Why continue to risk turning his brain into a bowl of scrambled eggs? This CT shit is real. Players just like him are losing their minds and killing themselves because of too many shots to the head. Look at Junior Seau. I’m guessing he’s one of Kuechly’s idols.
I get risking it all for the dream of getting to the NFL and making millions, but he’s done it and then some. He became the very best at what he does. 5x all pro. He made it to the SB but it wasn’t in the cards and now the Panthers are going to have to rebuild.
You’re going to see a lot more players like Luck and Kuechly hanging it up in their prime and using their heads for something other than a speed bag.

Don't forget Kam Chancellor and Megatron.

Also you mentioned he's healthy. I think part of the reason he retired is because he ISN'T healthy. He missed something like 10 games in '15-'17 because of concussions. Gotta assume they've taken a toll on his body.

[Hugh]

Well that’s true. I guess healthy isn’t accurate but he’s still young enough that if he walks away now he might not be hurting for the rest of his life.

[bludhoundz]

He’s smart, young, healthy and rich. His net worth is around $25 million.
Why the fuck keep playing football? Why continue to risk turning his brain into a bowl of scrambled eggs? This CT shit is real. Players just like him are losing their minds and killing themselves because of too many shots to the head. Look at Junior Seau. I’m guessing he’s one of Kuechly’s idols.
I get risking it all for the dream of getting to the NFL and making millions, but he’s done it and then some. He became the very best at what he does. 5x all pro. He made it to the SB but it wasn’t in the cards and now the Panthers are going to have to rebuild.
You’re going to see a lot more players like Luck and Kuechly hanging it up in their prime and using their heads for something other than a speed bag.

It's not that I disagree with it, I was just shocked. Good for him, but just didn't see it coming

[Hugh]

Yeah of course, neither did I. I was just giving my opinion as to why I think he’s doing it, but obviously it’s just a guess.

[The Cheat]

To be fair, Megatron retired in part because he hated the Lions so much by that point.

[Hugh]

Like Barry Sanders. He can say he loves the Lions all he wants but deep down we all know playing for that shitty organization beat the give a shit right out of him. It broke him.

[Gryph]

Like Barry Sanders. He can say he loves the Lions all he wants but deep down we all know playing for that shitty organization beat the give a shit right out of him. It broke him.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Yq2Rwtcm9M

[Hulky]

lol

[Achilles]

You were born in Ohio? Didn't know that. How'd you end up in Kentucky, if you don't mind me asking?

[Hulky]

You were born in Ohio? Didn't know that. How'd you end up in Kentucky, if you don't mind me asking?

Cincinnati borders Kentucky, it's not like it's a massive move from Ohio there lol
(Obviously Cleveland is on the north end though)

[Achilles]

I know, I just always thought he was originally from Kentucky.

[The Cheat]

You were born in Ohio? Didn't know that. How'd you end up in Kentucky, if you don't mind me asking?

All family is in KY. Dad worked for BP back in the day and got shipped to Cleveland. I was born there. Moved back to KY when i was 3.

And now you know...the rest of the story.

[Hugh]

Knew we were paving the Niners a road to the Super Bowl when we fucked that game up. Seattle is the only team in the NFC who had a chance against them.
Still think it could be a great Super Bowl. Go Chiefs!!:)

[The Cheat]

Gonna be one heck of a game. Home Chiefs win but I'm ok if San Fran does.

Packers were frauds all season and it finally showed.

[Hulky]

https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/82564345_10157273947699332_3180972514515877888_n.j pg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ohc=yy4zoQgLVu8AX_WwwOq&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=4a3e8c71356f09b844dac6c70dc7592c&oe=5ED7C9BC

[The Cheat]

Doesn't it just feel good knowing the Pats aren't in the SB?

[bludhoundz]

feelsgoodman

[The Cheat]

Who should I root for in the big game?

[bludhoundz]

Chiefs

49ers have more rings

[Hulky]

Did a draftkings line up on the probowl lol

Captain (1.5x points): Amari Cooper
FLEX: Lamar Jackson
FLEX: Michael Thomas
FLEX: Austin Hooper
FLEX: NFC Defense
FLEX: Justin Tucker

Figured Amari and Hooper are pending FAs so teams might feature them a bit trying to recruit maybe? Michael Thomas is cool and I like the NFC QBs more Brees/Wilson/Cousins over Lamar/Watson/Tannehill for getting the ball to WRs so I doubled on NFC WRs. A defense frequently is on the probowl DK winning lineup so I rolled with NFC. If the NFC D is doing good, I figure AFC prolly still gets some kicking range points for Tucker, since one kicker per team I figure he might be able to pace some of the main players. Lamar over all other QBs because I bet he is hype as hell to be in the probowl and wants to light it up after his playoff semi-dud.

[Hugh]

Who should I root for in the big game?

Chiefs, because Andy Reid.

[The Cheat]

Ok I'm cool with that.

[KBHoleN1]

That halftime show was incredible. Just as a reality check, Shakira is 43 and J Lo is 50. Every bit as hot as they were 15 years ago, and every bit as good at live performance. The choreography of the whole thing was great and there wasn't any wasted time between songs, it just kept coming and coming and coming. I loved that.

[max2k106]

That halftime show was incredible. Just as a reality check, Shakira is 43 and J Lo is 50. Every bit as hot as they were 15 years ago, and every bit as good at live performance. The choreography of the whole thing was great and there wasn't any wasted time between songs, it just kept coming and coming and coming. I loved that.

Ya they looked good in the show. There have been so many 'wtf' superbowl halftime shows that it was nice to actually see one that was just an entertaining show with hot chicks shaking their asses. This is what football is all about.

[KBHoleN1]

Woo! I'm really happy for Andy!

[Hugh]

Me too. Old man deserved a ring.

[Hugh]

And really he is the only person in the league, player or coach, who really “deserved” to win one.
So today my faith in the NFL ( and and a little bit in humanity ) has been restored.

[Hulky]

"Fun fact about Tyreek Hill: He could pass for a Lannister bastard. Tyreek sounds like Tywin, and Hill is the surname for bastards in the Lannisport region."

[bdog1321]

Also he broke his son's arm and punched his girlfriend's pregnant stomach

[The Cheat]

People getting all butt hurt about the half time show and I'm like "You know you don't have to watch it right?"

i rarely watch the half time show. I usually keep in on in the background while I do other stuff.

[Hugh]

Do we really not have a Chiefs fan in the house? I thought we did.
Maybe he’s still celebrating.

[Hulky]

Gypsy

[Hulky]

I realize no one gives a fuck, but I participate in a in depth offseason mock where each team is run by someone ( or a team of people) and this year I have the Jaguars. This is where I'm at right now after two rounds of free agency and a couple trades:

Jaguars

QB: Matthew Stafford, Gardner Minshew, Josh Dobbs
RB: Leonard Fournette, Ryquell Armstead, Jeremy McNichols, Devine Ozigbo, Taj McGowan
WR: DJ Chark, Chris Conley
WR: Robert Woods, Charone Peake, Michael Walker
WR: Dede Westbrook, CJ Board
TE: Josh Oliver, James O’Shaughnessy, Charles Jones, Matt Orzech
LT: Cam Robinson, Ryan Pope, KC McDermott, Donnell Greene
LG: Andrew Norwell
C: Frank Ragnow, Tyler Gauthier
RG: Brandon Linder
RT: Jawaan Taylor, Will Richardson, Blake Hance

DE: Calais Campbell, Carl Davis, Chuck Harris
NT: Abry Jones, Dontavius Russell
DE: Taven Bryan, Timmy Jernigan, Brian Price
OLB: Josh Allen, Dawuane Smoot
ILB: Donta Hightower, Quincy Williams, Dakota Allen
ILB: Myles Jack, Leon Jacobs, Joe Giles-Harris
OLB: Jadeveon Clowney
CB: AJ Bouye, Artie Burns, Tre Herndon, Jayson Stanley
CB: Eli Apple, Parry Nickerson, Brandon Watson
Nickle: DJ Hayden
FS: Devin McCourty, Jarrod Wilson, Andrew Wingard
SS: Ronnie Harrison, Doug Middleton
K: Josh Lambo
P: Logan Cooke
___________
Released:
Nick Foles — June 1st Release
Geoff Swaim — Release
Marqise Lee — Release
Jake Ryan - Release
Marcell Dareus — Release
AJ Cann — Release

___________
Trades:
Rams receive:
2020 3 Round 72nd overall
2021 5th

Jaguars receive:
Robert Woods

Jacksonville Jaguars receive:
1724 - Matthew Stafford - QB
0920 - Frank Ragnow - LG
2020 3rd Round 34th pick 98 overall

Detroit Lions receive:
2020 1st Round 20th Overall
2477 - Yannick Ngakoue - 43DE

_____
Draft
1.009
2.042
3.098
4.113
5.166
6.190
6.207
7.224

Bolded are guys I've acquired

[Hugh]

I’ve never heard of this. Mock drafts sure but is this a contest of some kind?

[Hulky]

I’ve never heard of this. Mock drafts sure but is this a contest of some kind?

it's basically a mock draft league I guess you could say it's a mock offseason instead of just the draft though. If you are big into the draft, college prospects and obviously NFL it's footballsfuture.com it's on the forums. Each team has their own board and a lot of teams have good communities (Seahawks community is kinda meh, but not dead), but this is a league in the GM Draft board called TCMD (Total Control Mock Draft) it's done once or twice every year.

The rest of the forum is worth checking out though if you really are into football. A lot of people are dumb, but its a much more football literate group in general than other forums or sites Ive seen.

[bdog1321]

why would they be stupid enough to release tight end god geoff swaim

[The Cheat]

So who is the QB for the chargers next season?

[Hugh]

Tom Brady

[Hulky]

Trump pardoned Eddie DeBartolo... I wonder if he makes Jed York ('s mom -- Eddie's sister) give him the team back lol.

[Hulky]

If I were the Chargers I think I'd give Taysom Hill a shot and try and give the Ravens offense a shot. Taysom Hill fails you still have Tyrod Taylor. No matter who you sign as QB if you are going for a shoot out your fucked against Mahomes so a run heavy control the clock strong defense approach is how I'd try and rebuild right now. Super fucked up how the AFC West went from god-mode Manning to Mahomes. Like come on give us a chance in hell tbh. The mini-gap between the two eras is the only time the Raiders made the playoffs and Carr got hurt right before so we got insta bounced. Talking about that you guys see McGloin (who took over for Carr when he was hurt) has been the worst XFL QB lol.

[The Cheat]

The XFL has been watchable at least.

[Hugh]

Seahawks sign old ass Greg Olsen.
I guess Dallas Clark wasn’t available.

[The Cheat]

Seahawks sign old ass Greg Olsen.
I guess Dallas Clark wasn’t available.

what ever happened to Dallas clark? He just sort vanished.

[Hugh]

He had a good career, won a Super Bowl and retired before his brains were scrambled eggs.

[The Cheat]

He had a good career, won a Super Bowl and retired before his brains were scrambled eggs.

Ohhh...one of the smart ones. Got it.

[KBHoleN1]

Browns lineman Greg Robinson, #2 pick in the 2014 draft, was stopped by police in a car along with former Auburn teammate Quan Bray. They had 127 pounds of marijuana in the car.

https://amp.tmz.com/2020/02/19/cleveland-browns-greg-robinson-arrested-marijuana-border-patrol/

[Hugh]

In Seattle that would be no different than having 127 pounds of coffee.

[Hulky]

you still getting hit with an arrest for felony intent to distribute in Seattle lol

[bludhoundz]

Browns lineman Greg Robinson, #2 pick in the 2014 draft, was stopped by police in a car along with former Auburn teammate Quan Bray. They had 127 pounds of marijuana in the car.

https://amp.tmz.com/2020/02/19/cleveland-browns-greg-robinson-arrested-marijuana-border-patrol/

Josh Gordon tryna get back on the browns? :D

[The Cheat]

Josh Gordon tryna get back on the browns? :D

Too soon.

[bdog1321]

Dak is a top 5 qb

[The Cheat]

Dak is a top 5 qb

possible

[Hulky]

Hey Bdog Witten just signed with the Raiders lol

[The Cheat]

Brady going to sign with the Bucs. LOL!

[bdog1321]

Hey Bdog Witten just signed with the Raiders lol

Too bad he wants to go out like this

[Hugh]

Brady going to sign with the Bucs. LOL!

He’s such a chode. We’re dealing with a global pandemic and he’s tweeting about “continuing his football journey”. Lol.
What an asshole.

[Hugh]

Brady going to sign with the Bucs. LOL!

He’s such a chode. We’re dealing with a global pandemic and he’s tweeting about “continuing his football journey”. Lol.
What an asshole.

[Achilles]

He’s such a chode. We’re dealing with a global pandemic and he’s tweeting about “continuing his football journey”. Lol.
What an asshole.

This was like fucking perfect for him. He knew this was going to be a huge deal here because of how storied his time in New England is, like him or not you could argue it's on par with like Jordan or Bird or any other storied great in a sport. There was no way this was going to go down smoothly. Brady's dad actually famously said years ago on a radio talk show he didn't see how things could possibly end well in New England, because he knew Brady would want to just keep playing and Bellicheck is way too pragmatically brutal to sign an aging quarterback. So him being able to quietly put the news out he's leaving New England, which like him or not is objectively huge news, while there's something massively overshadowing it, was like hitting the lottery for him. I agree with you, it's douchey, but I totally get why he did it. This would be like plastered all over the news if we weren't all gonna die.

[The Cheat]

Fuck Brady and fuck anyone who likes him.

[Achilles]

I'd love to fight Tom Brady. I'd definitely kick that dude's ass.

[The Cheat]

I'd like to see that Ach. Very much.

[Achilles]

Mid punch "THIS IS FOR ALL THOSE FUCKING PARADES THAT MADE ME LATE TO WORK. AND I DIDN'T FORGET YOU USED TO HAVE A JUSTIN BIEBER HAIRCUT."

[manonfire101]

Pretty happy with the Broncos offseason so far. Add Graham Glasgow and Melvin Gordon. Get AJ Bouye for a 4th-round pick. Get Jurrell Casey for a 7th-round pick. Franchise Justin Simmons. And Denver still has a bunch of picks in the draft. Hoping we can get some help for the offensive line because Bolles sucks. We're probably taking a WR with our first pick.

[Hulky]

Pretty happy with the Broncos offseason so far. Add Graham Glasgow and Melvin Gordon. Get AJ Bouye for a 4th-round pick. Get Jurrell Casey for a 7th-round pick. Franchise Justin Simmons. And Denver still has a bunch of picks in the draft. Hoping we can get some help for the offensive line because Bolles sucks. We're probably taking a WR with our first pick.

I think the Broncos go Josh Jones the tackle from Houston at 15, then WR in the second like Jalen Reagor.

[manonfire101]

I think the Broncos go Josh Jones the tackle from Houston at 15, then WR in the second like Jalen Reagor.

Could be. I haven't looked at the draft all that much. I'm guessing it will depend on who gets taken before the Broncos have their pick. Since they have 10 picks (I think) it's possible they trade up. I read an article that had them trading up to 11 and taking Ruggs.

[Sanosuke]

Brady to TB is gonna be nuts.

NFC south is kinda stacked except that my falcons suck

[Hulky]

Very hyped for this draft. This is my 4 round mock as of yesterday:

001. Cincinnati Bengals - Joe Burrow, QB LSU
002. Washington Redskins - Chase Young, Edge The Ohio State
003* Jacksonville Jaguars - Tua Tagovailoa, QB Alabama || DET 003 // JAX 009 + 020 + Yannick Ngakoue
004. New York Giants - Mekhi Becton, LT Louisville
005. Miami Dolphins - Justin Herbert, QB Oregon
006. Los Angeles Chargers - Jordan Love, QB Utah State
007. Carolina Panthers - Isaiah Simmons, LB Clemson
008* Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Tristan Wirfs, LT Iowa || ARI 008 + 114 + 131 // TBB 014 + 045
009* Detroit Lions - Jeffrey Okudah, CB The Ohio State || JAX 009 + 020 + Yannick Ngakoue // DET DET 003
010. Cleveland Browns - Andrew Thomas, LT Georgia
011. New York Jets - Jedrick Wills, LT Alabama
012. Las Vegas Raiders - Derrick Brown, DT Auburn
013. San Francisco - Jerry Jeudy, WR || SFO 013 // PHI 021 + 053
014* Arizona Cardinals - K'lavon Chaisson, Edge LSU || TBB 014 + 045 // ARI 008 + 114 + 131
015. Denver Broncos - Ceedee Lamb, WR Oklahoma
016. Atlanta Falcons - Javon Kinlaw, DL South Carolina
017. Dallas Cowboys - CJ Henderson, CB Florida
018. Miami Dolphins - Josh Jones, LT Houston
019. Las Vegas Raiders - Henry Ruggs III, WR Alabama
020* Detroit Lions - Justin Jefferson, WR LSU || JAX 009 + 020 + Yannick Ngakoue // DET DET 003
021. Philadelphia Eagles - Xavier McKinney, S Alabama
022. Minnesota Vikings - AJ Epenesa, DE Iowa
023. New England Patriots - Patrick Queen, LB LSU
024. New Orleans Saints - Zach Baun, LB Wisconsin
025. Minnesota Vikings - Jeff Gladney, CB TCU
026. Miami Dolphins - Grant Delpit, S LSU
027. Seattle Seahawks -Jaylon Johnson, CB Utah
028. Baltimore Ravens - Cesar Ruiz, IOL Michigan
029. Tennessee Titans - Isaiah Wilson, RT Georgia
030. Green Bay Packers - Ross Blacklock, DT TCU
031* Miami Dolphins - DeAndre Swift, RB Georgia || SFO 031 // MIA 56 + 70 + 173
032. Kansas City Chiefs - JK Dobbins, RB The Ohio State

033. Cincinnati Bengals - Yetur Gross-Matos, Edge Penn State
034. Indianapolis Colts - Denzel Mims, WR Baylor
035. Detroit Lions - Kenneth Murray, LB Oklahoma
036.* Denver Broncos - Austin Jackson, LT USC || NYG 036 + 183 // DEN 46 + 95
037. Los Angeles Chargers - Ezra Cleveland, LT Boise State
038. Carolina Panthers - Neville Gallimore, DT Oklahoma
039. Miami Dolphins - Marlon Davidson, DE Auburn
040. Houston Texans - Terrell Lewis, Edge Alabama
041. Cleveland Browns - Jeremy Chinn, LB/S Southern Illinois
042. Jacksonville Jaguars - Kristian Fulton, CB LSU
043. Chicago Bears - Kyle Dugger, S Lenoir-Rhyne
044. Indianapolis Colts - Curtis Weaver, Edge Boise State
045* Arizona Cardinals - Prince Tega Wanogho, RT Auburn || TBB 014 + 045 // ARI 008 + 114 + 131
046* New York Giants - Matt Hennessy, C Temple || DEN 46 + 95 // NYG 036 + 183
047. Atlanta Falcons - AJ Terrell, CB Clemson
048. New York Jets - Noah Igbinoghene, CB Auburn
049. Pittsburgh Steelers - Jonathan Taylor, RB Wisconsin
050. Chicago Bears - Trevon Diggs, CB Alabama
051. Dallas Cowboys - Antoine Winfield Jr., S Minnesota
052. Los Angeles Rams - Julian Okwara, Edge Notre Dame
053. Philadelphia Eagles - Jalen Reagor, WR TCU
054. Buffalo Bills - Bryce Hall, CB Virginia
055. Baltimore Ravens - Laviska Shenault, WR Colorado
056* San Francisco 49ers - Ashtyn Davis, S Cal || MIA 56 + 70 + 173 // SFO 031
057. Houston Texans - Tee Higgins, WR Clemson
058. Minnesota Vikings - Justin Madubuike, DT Texas A&M
059. Seattle Seahawks - Joshua Uche, Edge/LB Michigan
060. Baltimore Ravens - Logan Wilson, ILB University of Wyoming
061. Tennessee Titans - Damon Arnette, CB The Ohio State
062. Green Bay Packers - Chase Claypool, WR Notre Dame
063. Kansas City Chiefs - Cameron Dantzler, CB Mississippi State
064. Seattle Seahawks - Jacob Eason, QB Washington

065. Cincinnati Bengals - Malik Harrison, LB The Ohio State
066. Washington Redskins - Trey Adams, LT Washington
067. Detroit Lions - Clyde Edwards-Helaire, RB LSU
068. New York Jets - KJ Hamler, WR Penn State
069. Carolina Panthers - Troy Pride Jr., CB Notre Dame
070* San Francisco 49ers - Lloyd Cushenberry III, IOL LSU || MIA 56 + 70 + 173 // SFO 031
071. Los Angeles Chargers - Brandon Aiyuk, WR Arizona State
072. Arizona Cardinals - Raekwon Davis, DL Alabama
073. Jacksonville Jaguars - Darrell Taylor, Edge Tennessee
074. Cleveland Browns - Troy Dye, LB Oregon
075. Indianapolis Colts - Jonah Jackson, IOL The Ohio State
076. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Cam Akers, RB Florida State
077. Denver Broncos - Amik Robertson, CB Louisiana Tech
078. Atlanta Falcons - Akeem Davis-Gaither, LB Appalachian State
079. New York Jets - Michael Pittman, WR USC
080. Las Vegas Raiders - Jalen Hurts, QB Oklahoma
081. Las Vegas Raiders - Logan Stenberg, LG Kentucky
082. Dallas Cowboys - Tyler Biadasz, C Wisconsin
083. Denver Broncos - Nick Harris, C Washington
084. Los Angeles Rams - Jordyn Brooks, LB Texas Tech
085. Detroit Lions - Terrell Burgess, S Utah
086. Buffalo Bills - Cole Kmet, TE Notre Dame
087. New England Patriots - Adam Trautman, TE Dayton
088. New Orleans Saints - Jordan Elliott, DT Missouri
089. Minnesota Vikings - Donovan Peoples-Jones, WR Michigan
090. Houston Texans - Lucas Niang, OL TCU
091. Las Vegas Raiders - Eno Benjamin, RB Arizona State
092. Baltimore Ravens - Willie Gay, LB Mississippi State
093. Tennessee Titans - Jonathan Greenard, Edge Florida
094. Green Bay Packers - Brycen Hopkins, TE Purdue
095* New York Giants - Alton Robinson, Edge Syracuse || DEN 46 + 95 // NYG 036 + 183
096. Kansas City Chiefs - Robert Hunt, IOL Louisiana Lafayette
097. Cleveland Browns - Van Jefferson, WR Florida
098. New England Patriots - Davon Hamilton, DT The Ohio State
099. New York Giants - Geno Stone, S Iowa
100. New England Patriots - Jake Fromm, QB Georgia
101. Seattle Seahawks - Michael Ojemudia, CB Iowa
102. Pittsburgh Steelers - Solomon Kindley, G Georgia
103. Philadelphia Eagles - Ben Bredeson, G Michigan
104. Los Angeles Rams - Ben Bartch, OL St. John
105. Minnesota Vikings - Saahdiq Charles, LT LSU
106. Baltimore Ravens - Brandon Jones, SS Texas

107. Cincinnati Bengals - Damien Lewis, LG LSU
108. Washington Redskins - KJ Hill, WR The Ohio State
109. Detroit Lions - Anfernee Jennings, LB Alabama
110. New York Giants - Justin Strnad, LB Wake Forest
111. Houston Texans - Leki Fotu, NT Utah
112. Los Angeles Chargers - Darnay Holmes, CB UCLA
113. Carolina Panthers - Essang Bassey, CB Wake Forrest
114* Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Bradlee Anae, Edge Utah || ARI 008 + 114 + 131 // TBB 014 + 045
115. Cleveland Browns - Shane Lemieux, G Oregon
116. Jacksonville Jaguars - Antonio Gibson, RB/WR Memphis
117. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Hakeem Adeniji, OL Kansas
118. Denver Broncos - Rashard Lawrence, DT LSU
119. Atlanta Falcons - Jabari Zuniga, Edge Florida
120. New York Jets - Netane Muti, G Fresno State
121. Las Vegas Raiders - Dane Jackson, CB Pittsburgh
122. Indianapolis Colts - Khalid Kareem, Edge Notre Dame
123. Dallas Cowboys - Hunter Bryant, TE Washington
124. Pittsburgh Steelers - Alex Highsmith, Edge Charlotte
125. New England Patriots - Alohi Gilman, S Noytre Dame
126. Los Angeles Rams - Jake Hansen, C Oregon
127. Philadelphia Eagles - Evan Weaver, LB Cal
128. Buffalo Bills - Matt Peart, OT UConn
129. Baltimore Ravens - John Simpson, G Clemson
130. New Orleans Saints - Bryan Edwards, WR South Carolina
131* Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Devin Duvernay, WR Texas || ARI 008 + 114 + 131 // TBB 014 + 045
132. Minnesota Vikings - K'Von Wallace, S Clemson
133. Seattle Seahawks - Scott Frantz, OL Kansas
134. Baltimore Ravens - Kenny Willekes, Edge Michigan State
135. Pittsburgh Steelers - Harrison Hand, CB Temple
136. Green Bay Packers - Quintez Cephus, WR Wisconsin
137. Jacksonville Jaguars - James Lynch, DL Baylor
138. Kansas City Chiefs - Charlie Heck, OT North Carolina
139. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Nick Coe, DL Auburn
140. Jacksonville Jaguars - Joe Bachie Jr., LB Michigan State
141. Miami Dolphins - Michael Owenu, G Michigan
142. Washington Redskins - Stanford Samuels, CB Florida State
143. Atlanta Falcons - Harrison Bryant, TE Florida Atlantic
144. Seattle Seahawks - Zach Moss, RB Utah
145. Philadelphia Eagles - Tyler Johnson, WR Minnesota
146. Philadelphia Eagles - Lamar Jackson, CB Nebraska

See if I get any right

[Da Gyps]

Mahomes

[Sanosuke]

is a god

[Da Gyps]

I was a trainwreck all playoffs tbh.

[Hugh]

But it was all worth it. Your boys did it.

[Da Gyps]

It was a hell of a run. I think subsequent playoffs won't be as bad. I had literally never seen the Chiefs even appear in a superbowl before.

[The Cheat]

Of course we are assuming there even will be a season. :(

[bdog1321]

Damn tarvaris jackson died

[The Cheat]

Damn tarvaris jackson died

Not going to lie, when I saw that this morning on Twitter I didn't remember who he was. :(

[Hulky]

https://www.instagram.com/p/B_NhcHkJF6m/?utm_source=ig_embed

I dunno how to post an instagram photo, but difference between (49ers) Lynch's at-home-GM set up v. (Giants) Gettlemans

[bludhoundz]

sigh

[Hulky]

sigh

he got that lotion ready for pick #4 tho

[Greendaybum5]

With no sports I've been reading a lot about the draft this week. Super pumped for it. I think this may be the year we finally see the Eagles trade UP and not out of the first round. Reallllly want one of the big 3 WR.

[The Cheat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYwfxtFbga8

[Sanosuke]

i can't wait for all the technical difficulties. this is going to be the longest draft night in history.

[Hulky]

Couple of tweaks to my mock since I posted it:



001. Cincinnati Bengals - Joe Burrow, QB LSU
002. Washington Redskins - Chase Young, Edge The Ohio State
003* Jacksonville Jaguars - Tua Tagovailoa, QB Alabama || DET 003 // JAX 009 + 020 + Yannick Ngakoue
004. New York Giants - Mekhi Becton, LT Louisville
005. Miami Dolphins - Justin Herbert, QB Oregon
006. Los Angeles Chargers - Jordan Love, QB Utah State
007. Carolina Panthers - Isaiah Simmons, LB Clemson
008* Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Tristan Wirfs, LT Iowa || ARI 008 + 114 + 131 // TBB 014 + 045
009* Detroit Lions - Jeffrey Okudah, CB The Ohio State || JAX 009 + 020 + Yannick Ngakoue // DET DET 003
010. Cleveland Browns - Andrew Thomas, LT Georgia
011. New York Jets - Jedrick Wills, LT Alabama
012. Las Vegas Raiders - Derrick Brown, DT Auburn
013. San Francisco - Jerry Jeudy, WR
014* Arizona Cardinals - K'lavon Chaisson, Edge LSU || TBB 014 + 045 // ARI 008 + 114 + 131
015. Denver Broncos - Ceedee Lamb, WR Oklahoma
016. Atlanta Falcons - Javon Kinlaw, DL South Carolina
017. Dallas Cowboys - CJ Henderson, CB Florida
018. Miami Dolphins - Josh Jones, LT Houston
019. Las Vegas Raiders - Henry Ruggs III, WR Alabama
020* Detroit Lions - Justin Jefferson, WR LSU || JAX 009 + 020 + Yannick Ngakoue // DET DET 003
021. Philadelphia Eagles - Xavier McKinney, S Alabama
022. Minnesota Vikings - AJ Epenesa, DE Iowa
023. New England Patriots - Patrick Queen, LB LSU
024. New Orleans Saints - Zach Baun, LB Wisconsin
025. Minnesota Vikings - Jeff Gladney, CB TCU
026. Miami Dolphins - Grant Delpit, S LSU
027. Seattle Seahawks - Prince Tega Wanogho, OT Auburn
028. Baltimore Ravens - Cesar Ruiz, IOL Michigan
029. Tennessee Titans - Isaiah Wilson, RT Georgia
030. Green Bay Packers - Ross Blacklock, DT TCU
031* Miami Dolphins - DeAndre Swift, RB Georgia || SFO 031 // MIA 56 + 70 + 173
032. Kansas City Chiefs - Jaylon Johnson, CB Utah

033. Cincinnati Bengals - Denzel Mims, WR Baylor
034. Indianapolis Colts - Yetur Gross-Matos, Edge Penn State
035. Detroit Lions - Kenneth Murray, LB Oklahoma
036.* Denver Broncos - Austin Jackson, LT USC || NYG 036 + 183 // DEN 46 + 95
037. Los Angeles Chargers - Ezra Cleveland, LT Boise State
038. Carolina Panthers - Neville Gallimore, DT Oklahoma
039. Miami Dolphins - Marlon Davidson, DE Auburn
040. Houston Texans - Terrell Lewis, Edge Alabama
041. Cleveland Browns - Jeremy Chinn, LB/S Southern Illinois
042. Jacksonville Jaguars - Kristian Fulton, CB LSU
043. Chicago Bears - Kyle Dugger, S Lenoir-Rhyne
044. Indianapolis Colts - Brandon Aiyuk, WR Arizona State
045* Arizona Cardinals - JK Dobbins, RB The Ohio State || TBB 014 + 045 // ARI 008 + 114 + 131
046* New York Giants - Matt Hennessy, C Temple || DEN 46 + 95 // NYG 036 + 183
047. Atlanta Falcons - AJ Terrell, CB Clemson
048. New York Jets - Noah Igbinoghene, CB Auburn
049. Pittsburgh Steelers - Jonathan Taylor, RB Wisconsin
050. Chicago Bears - Trevon Diggs, CB Alabama
051. Dallas Cowboys - Antoine Winfield Jr., S Minnesota
052. Los Angeles Rams - Julian Okwara, Edge Notre Dame
053. Philadelphia Eagles - Jalen Reagor, WR TCU
054. Buffalo Bills - Bryce Hall, CB Virginia
055. Baltimore Ravens - Laviska Shenault, WR Colorado
056* San Francisco 49ers - Ashtyn Davis, S Cal || MIA 56 + 70 + 173 // SFO 031
057. Los Angeles Rams - Tee Higgins, WR Clemson
058. Minnesota Vikings - Justin Madubuike, DT Texas A&M
059. Seattle Seahawks - Joshua Uche, Edge/LB Michigan
060. Baltimore Ravens - Logan Wilson, ILB University of Wyoming
061. Tennessee Titans - Damon Arnette, CB The Ohio State
062. Green Bay Packers - Chase Claypool, WR Notre Dame
063. Kansas City Chiefs - Cameron Dantzler, CB Mississippi State
064. Seattle Seahawks - Terrell Burgess, S Utah

065. Cincinnati Bengals - Malik Harrison, LB The Ohio State
066. Washington Redskins - Trey Adams, LT Washington
067. Detroit Lions - Clyde Edwards-Helaire, RB LSU
068. New York Jets - KJ Hamler, WR Penn State
069. Carolina Panthers - Troy Pride Jr., CB Notre Dame
070* San Francisco 49ers - Lloyd Cushenberry III, IOL LSU || MIA 56 + 70 + 173 // SFO 031
071. Los Angeles Chargers - Curtis Weaver, Edge Boise State
072. Arizona Cardinals - Raekwon Davis, DL Alabama
073. Jacksonville Jaguars - Darrell Taylor, Edge Tennessee
074. Cleveland Browns - Troy Dye, LB Oregon
075. Indianapolis Colts - Jonah Jackson, IOL The Ohio State
076. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Cam Akers, RB Florida State
077. Denver Broncos - Amik Robertson, CB Louisiana Tech
078. Atlanta Falcons - Akeem Davis-Gaither, LB Appalachian State
079. New York Jets - Michael Pittman, WR USC
080. Las Vegas Raiders - Jalen Hurts, QB Oklahoma
081. Las Vegas Raiders - Logan Stenberg, LG Kentucky
082. Dallas Cowboys - Tyler Biadasz, C Wisconsin
083. Denver Broncos - Nick Harris, C Washington
084. Los Angeles Rams - Jordyn Brooks, LB Texas Tech
085. Detroit Lions - Jacob Eason, QB Washington
086. Buffalo Bills - Cole Kmet, TE Notre Dame
087. New England Patriots - Adam Trautman, TE Dayton
088. New Orleans Saints - Jordan Elliott, DT Missouri
089. Minnesota Vikings - Donovan Peoples-Jones, WR Michigan
090. Houston Texans - Lucas Niang, OL TCU
091. Las Vegas Raiders - Eno Benjamin, RB Arizona State
092. Baltimore Ravens - Willie Gay, LB Mississippi State
093. Tennessee Titans - Jonathan Greenard, Edge Florida
094. Green Bay Packers - Brycen Hopkins, TE Purdue
095* New York Giants - Alton Robinson, Edge Syracuse || DEN 46 + 95 // NYG 036 + 183
096. Kansas City Chiefs - Robert Hunt, IOL Louisiana Lafayette
097. Cleveland Browns - Van Jefferson, WR Florida
098. New England Patriots - Davon Hamilton, DT The Ohio State
099. New York Giants - Geno Stone, S Iowa
100. New England Patriots - Jake Fromm, QB Georgia
101. Seattle Seahawks - Michael Ojemudia, CB Iowa
102. Pittsburgh Steelers - Solomon Kindley, G Georgia
103. Philadelphia Eagles - Ben Bredeson, G Michigan
104. Los Angeles Rams - Ben Bartch, OL St. John
105. Minnesota Vikings - Saahdiq Charles, LT LSU
106. Baltimore Ravens - Brandon Jones, SS Texas

107. Cincinnati Bengals - Damien Lewis, LG LSU
108. Washington Redskins - KJ Hill, WR The Ohio State
109. Detroit Lions - Anfernee Jennings, LB Alabama
110. New York Giants - Justin Strnad, LB Wake Forest
111. Houston Texans - Leki Fotu, NT Utah
112. Los Angeles Chargers - Darnay Holmes, CB UCLA
113. Carolina Panthers - Essang Bassey, CB Wake Forrest
114* Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Bradlee Anae, Edge Utah || ARI 008 + 114 + 131 // TBB 014 + 045
115. Cleveland Browns - Shane Lemieux, G Oregon
116. Jacksonville Jaguars - Antonio Gibson, RB/WR Memphis
117. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Hakeem Adeniji, OL Kansas
118. Denver Broncos - Rashard Lawrence, DT LSU
119. Atlanta Falcons - Jabari Zuniga, Edge Florida
120. New York Jets - Netane Muti, G Fresno State
121. Las Vegas Raiders - Dane Jackson, CB Pittsburgh
122. Indianapolis Colts - Khalid Kareem, Edge Notre Dame
123. Dallas Cowboys - Hunter Bryant, TE Washington
124. Pittsburgh Steelers - Alex Highsmith, Edge Charlotte
125. New England Patriots - Alohi Gilman, S Notre Dame
126. Los Angeles Rams - Jake Hansen, C Oregon
127. Philadelphia Eagles - Evan Weaver, LB Cal
128. Buffalo Bills - Matt Peart, OT UConn
129. Baltimore Ravens - John Simpson, G Clemson
130. New Orleans Saints - Bryan Edwards, WR South Carolina
131* Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Devin Duvernay, WR Texas || ARI 008 + 114 + 131 // TBB 014 + 045
132. Minnesota Vikings - K'Von Wallace, S Clemson
133. Seattle Seahawks - Scott Frantz, OL Kansas
134. Baltimore Ravens - Kenny Willekes, Edge Michigan State
135. Pittsburgh Steelers - Harrison Hand, CB Temple
136. Green Bay Packers - Quintez Cephus, WR Wisconsin
137. Jacksonville Jaguars - James Lynch, DL Baylor
138. Kansas City Chiefs - Charlie Heck, OT North Carolina
139. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Nick Coe, DL Auburn
140. Jacksonville Jaguars - Joe Bachie Jr., LB Michigan State
141. Miami Dolphins - Michael Owenu, G Michigan
142. Washington Redskins - Stanford Samuels, CB Florida State
143. Atlanta Falcons - Lamical Perine, RB Florida
144. Seattle Seahawks - Zach Moss, RB Utah
145. Philadelphia Eagles - Tyler Johnson, WR Minnesota
146. Philadelphia Eagles - Lamar Jackson, CB Nebraska


By team:
AFC West
Las Vegas Raiders
- Derrick Brown, DT Auburn
- Henry Ruggs III, WR Alabama
- Jalen Hurts, QB Oklahoma
- Logan Stenberg, LG Kentucky
- Eno Benjamin, RB Arizona State
- Dane Jackson, CB Pittsburgh

Kansas City Chiefs
- Jaylon Johnson, CB Utah
- Cameron Dantzler, CB Mississippi State
- Robert Hunt, IOL Louisiana Lafayette
- Charlie Heck, OT North Carolina

Los Angeles Chargers
- Jordan Love, QB Utah State
- Ezra Cleveland, LT Boise State
- Curtis Weaver, Edge Boise State
- Darnay Holmes, CB UCLA

Denver Broncos
- Ceedee Lamb, WR Oklahoma
- Austin Jackson, LT USC
- Amik Robertson, CB Louisiana Tech
- Nick Harris, C Washington
- Rashard Lawrence, DT LSU

AFC East
Miami Dolphins
- Justin Herbert, QB Oregon
- Josh Jones, LT Houston
- Grant Delpit, S LSU
- DeAndre Swift, RB Georgia
- Marlon Davidson, DE Auburn
- Michael Owenu, G Michigan

Buffalo Bills
- Bryce Hall, CB Virginia
- Cole Kmet, TE Notre Dame
- Matt Peart, OT UConn

New York Jets
- Jedrick Wills, LT Alabama
- Noah Igbinoghene, CB Auburn
- KJ Hamler, WR Penn State
- Michael Pittman, WR USC
- Netane Muti, G Fresno State

New England Patriots
- Patrick Queen, LB LSU
- Adam Trautman, TE Dayton
- Davon Hamilton, DT The Ohio State
- Jake Fromm, QB Georgia
- Alohi Gilman, S Notre Dame

AFC North
Cincinnati Bengals
- Joe Burrow, QB LSU
- Denzel Mims, WR Baylor
- Malik Harrison, LB The Ohio State
- Damien Lewis, LG LSU

Baltimore Ravens
- Cesar Ruiz, IOL Michigan
- Laviska Shenault, WR Colorado
- Logan Wilson, ILB University of Wyoming
- Willie Gay, LB Mississippi State
- Brandon Jones, SS Texas
- John Simpson, G Clemson
- Kenny Willekes, Edge Michigan State

Cleveland Browns
- Andrew Thomas, LT Georgia
- Jeremy Chinn, LB/S Southern Illinois
- Troy Dye, LB Oregon
- Van Jefferson, WR Florida
- Shane Lemieux, G Oregon

Pittsburgh Steelers
- Jonathan Taylor, RB Wisconsin
- Solomon Kindley, G Georgia
- Alex Highsmith, Edge Charlotte
- Harrison Hand, CB Temple

AFC South
Houston Texans
- Terrell Lewis, Edge Alabama
- Lucas Niang, OL TCU
- Leki Fotu, DT Utah

Tennessee Titans
- Isaiah Wilson, RT Georgia
- Damon Arnette, CB The Ohio State
- Jonathan Greenard, Edge Florida

Jacksonville Jaguars
- Tua Tagovailoa, QB Alabama
- Kristian Fulton, CB LSU
- Darrell Taylor, Edge Tennessee
- Antonio Gibson, RB/WR Memphis
- James Lynch, DL Baylor
- Joe Bachie Jr., LB Michigan State

Indianapolis Colts
- Yetur Gross-Matos, Edge Penn State
- Brandon Aiyuk, WR Arizona State
- Jonah Jackson, IOL The Ohio State
- Khalid Kareem, Edge Notre Dame

NFC West
Arizona Cardinals
- K'lavon Chaisson, Edge LSU
- JK Dobbins, RB The Ohio State
- Raekwon Davis, DL Alabama

San Francisco 49ers
- Jerry Jeudy, WR
- Ashtyn Davis, S Cal
- Lloyd Cushenberry III, IOL LSU

Seattle Seahawks
- Prince Tega Wanogho, OT Auburn
- Joshua Uche, Edge/LB Michigan
- Terrell Burgess, S Utah
- Michael Ojemudia, CB Iowa
- Scott Frantz, OL Kansas
- Zach Moss, RB Utah

Los Angeles Rams
- Julian Okwara, Edge Notre Dame
- Tee Higgins, WR Clemson
- Jordyn Brooks, LB Texas Tech
- Ben Bartch, OL St. John
- Jake Hansen, C Oregon

NFC East
Washington Redskins
- Chase Young, Edge The Ohio State
- Trey Adams, LT Washington
- KJ Hill, WR The Ohio State
- Stanford Samuels, CB Florida State

New York Giants
- Mekhi Becton, LT Louisville
- Matt Hennessy, C Temple
- Alton Robinson, Edge Syracuse
- Geno Stone, S Iowa
- Justin Strnad, LB Wake Forest

Dallas Cowboys
- CJ Henderson, CB Florida
- Antoine Winfield Jr., S Minnesota
- Tyler Biadasz, C Wisconsin
- Hunter Bryant, TE Washington

Philadelphia Eagles
- Xavier McKinney, S Alabama
- Jalen Reagor, WR TCU
- Ben Bredeson, G Michigan
- Evan Weaver, LB Cal
- Tyler Johnson, WR Minnesota
- Lamar Jackson, CB Nebraska

NFC North
Detroit Lions [also Yannick Ngakoue in trade down w/ Jags]
- Jeffrey Okudah, CB The Ohio State
- Justin Jefferson, WR LSU
- Kenneth Murray, LB Oklahoma
- Clyde Edwards-Helaire, RB LSU
- Jacob Eason, QB Washington
- Anfernee Jennings, LB Alabama

Green Bay Packers
- Ross Blacklock, DT TCU
- Chase Claypool, WR Notre Dame
- Brycen Hopkins, TE Purdue
- Quintez Cephus, WR Wisconsin

Chicago Bears
- Kyle Dugger, S Lenoir-Rhyne
- Trevon Diggs, CB Alabama

Minnesota Vikings
- AJ Epenesa, DE Iowa
- Jeff Gladney, CB TCU
- Justin Madubuike, DT Texas A&M
- Donovan Peoples-Jones, WR Michigan
- Saahdiq Charles, LT LSU
- K'Von Wallace, S Clemson

NFC South
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
- Tristan Wirfs, LT Iowa
- Cam Akers, RB Florida State
- Bradlee Anae, Edge Utah
- Hakeem Adeniji, OL Kansas
- Devin Duvernay, WR Texas
- Nick Coe, DL Auburn

New Orleans Saints
- Zach Baun, LB Wisconsin
- Jordan Elliott, DT Missouri
- Bryan Edwards, WR South Carolina

Atlanta Falcons
- Javon Kinlaw, DL South Carolina
- AJ Terrell, CB Clemson
- Akeem Davis-Gaither, LB Appalachian State
- Jabari Zuniga, Edge Florida
- Lamical Perine, RB Florida

Carolina Panthers
- Isaiah Simmons, LB Clemson
- Neville Gallimore, DT Oklahoma
- Troy Pride Jr., CB Notre Dame
- Essang Bassey, CB Wake Forrest

[Greendaybum5]

Hulky that Jags - Lions trade would go down as one of the biggest in NFL history lol (yes being overly dramatic), but if Lions can drop from 3 to 9 and gain 20/Jags DE that would be nuts with you have the OSU CB dropping to 9 (I don't think he slips past 5-7)

[Hulky]

Gronk is a Tampa Bay Buccaneer now that fucking awesome I'm excite

[Hulky]

Hulky that Jags - Lions trade would go down as one of the biggest in NFL history lol (yes being overly dramatic), but if Lions can drop from 3 to 9 and gain 20/Jags DE that would be nuts with you have the OSU CB dropping to 9 (I don't think he slips past 5-7)

I don't think Yannick on a franchise tag is worth more than Clowney in trade comp. Like Clowney was on a tag and went for a 3rd. Yannick is in the same situation is worse against the run but better against the pass, but is acting like a complete clown on social media. He gives a lot of Antonio Brown vibes and I doubt the "we want a first value" works out. 9+20 is exactsies value for 3 on the Jimmy Johnson trade value chart, so Yannick is the throw in to beat a MIA or LAC deal.

[bdog1321]

Gronk to bucs. Boom

[bdog1321]

Hopefully this means oj Howard to dallas

[The Cheat]

So random about Gronk.

[Sanosuke]

I don't think Isaiah Wilson drops that far Hulky tbh. It is a surprisingly rare draft with how loaded it is with NFL ready OLine talent though, so I could be wrong.

[Burnout278]

So random about Gronk.

He saw himself slipping down the WWE card already.

[Hulky]

Back up mock

001 CIN — Joe Burrow, QB LSU
002 WAS — Chase Young, Edge Ohio State
003 DET — Jeff Okudah, CB Ohio State
004 NYG — Jedrick Wills, RT Alabama
005 MIA — Justin Herbert, QB Oregon
006 LAC — Andrew Thomas, LT Georgia
007 DAL — Tua Tagovailoa, QB Alabama || CAR 017 + 051 + 2021 2nd // DAL 007
008 TBB — Tristan Wirfs, RT Iowa || ARI 014 + 045 // TBB 008
009 JAX — CJ Henderson, CB Florida
010 CLE — Isaiah Simmons, LB Clemson
011 NYJ — Jerry Jeudy, WR Alabama
012 LVR — Derrick Brown, DT Auburn
013 SFO — Mekhi Becton, T/G Louisville
014 ARI — K’lavon Chaisson, Edge LSU
015 DEN — Henry Ruggs III, WR Alabama
016 ATL — Javon Kinlaw, DT South Carolina
017 CAR — Ross Blacklock, DT TCU
018 MIA — Josh Jones, LT Houston
019 LVR — Ceedee Lamb, WR Oklahoma
020 JAX — Jordan Love, QB Utah State
021 PHI — Jalen Reagor, WR TCU
022 MIN — Ezra Cleveland, LT Boise State
023 NEP — Patrick Queen, LB LSU
024 IND — Jacob Eason, QB Washington || NO 034 + 075 // IND 024
025 MIN — Jeff Gladney, CB TCU
026 MIA — Cesar Ruiz, IOL Michigan
027 SEA — Yetur Gross-Matos, Edge Penn State
028 BAL — Kenneth Murray, LB Oklahoma
029 TEN — AJ Epenesa, DE Iowa
030 GBP — Laviska Shenault, WR Colorado
031 NYJ — Austin Jackson, LT USC || SFO 048 + 079 // NYJ 031
032 KC — Jaylon Johnson, CB Utah

033 CIN — Justin Jefferson, WR LSU
034 NO — Zach Baun, LB Wisconsin
035 DET — Xavier McKinney, S Alabama
036 NYG — Grant Delpit, S LSU
037 LAC — Jalen Hurts, QB Oklahoma
038 CAR — Josh Uche, Edge Michigan
039 MIA — DeAndre Swift, RB Georgia
040 HOU — Terrell Lewis, Edge Alabama
041 CLE — Prince Tega Wanogho, LT Auburn
042 JAX — Neville Gallimore, DT Oklahoma
043 LVR — AJ Terrell, CB Clemson || CHI 080 + 081 + 2020 3rd // LVR 043
044 IND — Denzel Mims, WR Baylor
045 ARI — Isaiah Wilson, RT Georgia
046 DEN — Kristian Fulton, CB LSU
047 ATL — Trevon Diggs, CB Alabama
048 SFO — Chase Claypool, WR Notre Dame
049 PIT — Jonathan Taylor, RB Wisconsin
050 CHI — Jeremy Chinn, S/LB Southern Illinois
051 CAR — Amik Robertson, CB Louisiana Tech
052 LAR — JK Dobbins, RB Ohio State
053 PHI — Damon Arnette, CB Ohio State
054 BUF — Bryce Hall, CB Virginia
055 BAL — Robert Hunt, IOL Louisiana Lafayette
056 MIA — Kyle Dugger, SS Lenoir-Rhyne
057 LAR — Julian Okwara, Edge Notre Dame
058 MIN — Brandon Aiyuk, WR Arizona State
059 SEA — Antoine Winfield Jr., S Minnesota
060 BAL — Tee Higgins, WR Clemson
061 TEN — Noah Igbinoghene, CB Auburn
062 GBP — Marlon Davidson, DL Auburn
063 KC — Clyde Edwards-Helaire, RB LSU
064 SEA — Lucas Niang, LT TCU

065 CIN — Malik Harrison, LB Ohio State
066 WAS — Lloyd Cushenberry, C LSU
067 DET —Raekwon Davis, DL Alabama
068 NYJ — Cameron Dantzler, CB Mississippi State
069 CAR — Matt Hennessy, IOL Temple
070 MIA — Ashtyn Davis, FS Cal
071 LAC — Logan Wilson, LB Wyoming
072 ARI — Willie Gay Jr., LB Mississippi State
073 JAX — Darrell Taylor, Edge Tennessee
074 CLE — Terrell Burgess, S Utah
075 NO — Justin Madubuike, DT Texas A&M
076 TBB — Cam Akers, RB FSU
077 DEN — Cameron Clark, OL Charlotte
078 ATL — Jonathan Greenard, Edge Florida
079 SFO — Michael Ojemudia, CB Iowa
080 CHI — Ben Bartch, OL St. Johns || LVR 043 // CHI 080 + 081 + 2020 3rd
081 CHI — Brycen Hopkins, TE Purdue || LVR 043 // CHI 080 + 081 + 2020 3rd
082 DAL — Curtis Weaver, DE Boise State
083 DEN — Nick Harris, C Washington
084 LAR - Jordyn Brooks, LB Texas Tech
085 DET - Jonah Jackson, G Ohio State
086. BUF - Matthew Peart, OT UConn
087 NEP - Cole Kmet, TE Notre Dame
088 NO - Jake Fromm, QB Georgia
089 MIN - Reggie Robinson, CB Tulsa
090 HOU - Leki Fotu, NT Utah
091 LVR - Michael Pittman, WR USC
092 BAL - KJ Hamler, WR Penn State
093 TEN - Donovan Peoples-Jones, WR Michigan
094 GBP - Saahdiq Charles, OT LSU
095 DEN - Jordan Elliott, DT Missouri
096 KC - Akeem Davis-Gaither, LB Appalachian State
097 CLE - Damien Lewis, G LSU
098 NEP - Jabari Zuniga, Edge Florida
099 NYG - Alton Robinson, Edge Syracuse
100 NEP - Van Jefferson, WR Florida
101 SEA - Davon Hamilton, DT Ohio State
102 PIT - AJ Green, CB Oklahoma State
103 PHI - Troy Dye, LB Oregon
104 LAR - Devin Duvernay, WR Texas
105 MIN - Rashard Lawrence, DT LSU
106 BAL - Darrynton Evans, RB Appalachian State

107 CIN - Netane Muti, G Fresno State
108 WAS - KJ Hill, WR Ohio State
109 DET - Khalid Kareem, Edge Notre Dame
110 NYG - Justin Strnad, LB Wake Forest
111 HOU - Hakeem Adeniji, OL Kansas
112 LAC - Solomon Kindley, G Georgia
113 CAR - James Lynch, DE Baylor
114 ARI - Zach Moss, RB Utah
115 CLE - Hunter Bryant, TE Washington
116 JAX - Alex Highsmith, Edge Charlotte
117 TBB - John Simpson, G Clemson
118 DEN - Troy Pride, CB Notre Dame
119 ATL - Lamar Jackson, CB Nebraska
120 NYJ - Michael Bredeson, G Michigan
121 LVR - Davion Taylor, LB Colorado
122 IND - Shane Lemieux, G Oregon
123 DAL - Tyler Biadasz, C Wisconsin
124 PIT - Tyler Johnson, WR Minnesota
125 NEP - Dane Jackson, CB Pittsburgh
126 LAR - Trey Adams, OT Washington
127 PHI - Brandon Jones, S Texas
128 BUF - Lynn Bowden, WR Kentucky
129 BAL - Afernee Jennings, Edge/ILB Alabama
130 NO - Quartney Davis, WR Texas A&M
131 ARI - Evan Weaver, ILB Cal
132 MIN - Kenny Robinson, S West Virginia/XFL
133 SEA - Logan Stenberg, G Kentucky
134 ATL - Shaquille Quarterman, LB Miami
135 PIT - Terrance Steele, OT Texas Tech
136 GBP - Josiah Deguara, TE Cincinnati
137 JAX - AJ Dillon, RB Boston College
138 KC - Charlie Heck, OL North Carolina
139 NEP - Eno Benjamin, RB Arizona State
140 JAX - Harrison Bryant, TE Florida Atlantic
141 MIA - Michael Owenu, G Michigan
142 WAS - Tyre Phillips, OT Mississippi State
143 BAL - Kenny Willekes, Edge Michigan State
144 SEA - Jason Strowbridge, Edge North Carolina
145 PHI - Quez Watkins, WR Southern Miss
146 PHI - K’Von Wallace, S Clemson

[Sanosuke]

I like the Eason to Indy pick

[The Cheat]

I hope everything runs smoothly tonight tech wise.

[Sanosuke]

Jordan Love to GB, dumb pick.

[The Cheat]

Jordan Love to GB, dumb pick.

What the fuck was that about?

Draft people online said they could have gotten him rounds 3-5.

Bet Rogers is pissed.

[Da Gyps]

Interesting pick by the Eagles there...

[bdog1321]

Cowboys 19-0

[The Cheat]

Is there any team that flat out sucked draft wise?

[bludhoundz]

Well the packers first two draft picks were QB and RB when those were already their best 2 players last year

Pretty dumbass move if you ask me

[The Cheat]

Well the packers first two draft picks were QB and RB when those were already their best 2 players last year

Pretty dumbass move if you ask me

I mean beside that obvious one.

[Hulky]

NFL West:
Cardinals - A+ (Might be my favorite draft.)
49ers - B- (Kinlaw's knees need to be good for this class to work. Aiyuk is pretty raw for as high as he went. Trade for Trent Williams was kinda desperate and tbh just staying at 12 and drafting one may have been better. Or even Jeudy at 12 and Josh Jones at 31 or a trade down from 31 as Jones went in the third)
Seattle - B (It's a weird draft though Seattle reaches a lot but got some good dudes... I think they got 4 starters in Lewis, Taylor, Brooks and maybe long term Alton Robinson who has some upside in him)
Rams - D (They failed to draft a single fucking lineman ffs... Akers is aight... but has no line... Terrell Burgess might be their best draftee... Lewis always hurt and Jefferson for Cooks is meh at least it saves them money Jefferson is a good route runner but more like a budget Robert Woods than a speedster.

AFC West
Raiders - C Ruggs and Amik are the only two I'm like stoked about. Arnette was pretty trash for years and then 1 year wondered it his senior year but lacks arm length and althletic upside and is kinda old for a rookie so he's more a C ish grade. We took too many WRs with Bryan Edwards probably being the better of the two taken in the third. Bowden supposedly will be a backup RB which is interesting but a shitty use of the 80th pick. John Simpson is aight long term and Tanner Muse is kinda sorta a waste. Muse is basically a baby developmental Heath and we just signed Heath so not sure if Muse is really more than a ST now and really into the immediate future.
Chiefs - B CEH on the Chiefs is fucking bs. Niang if he gets healthy is a good value. Willie Gay is pretty freakish athletically if he doesn't do naughty things in the league.
Chiefs - B. If Herbert is >peak Dalton than it's an A. I like Murray and Gilman a lot for them and KJ Hill was dope value in the 7th.
Broncos - A. One of the strongest drafts imo. Jeudy, Ojemudia, Cushenberry, Strnad and Muti are all good picks and Agim and Albert O have upside.

NFC East
Giants - C (I kinda think the Giants low key punted after third first two picks which were both very good. Shane Lemeiux might turn out to be a starter though opposite Hernandez.)
Cowboys - A (Ceedee is good value, but Reggie Robinson, Tyler Biadasz and Gallimore were very strong picks. Anae and Diggs were fair picks and the only reach was on a 7th rounder rando QB. If Biadasz' hip is healthy Cowboys might have one of the best drafts).
Redskins - A- (This class is completely carried by Chase Young who is off the charts good as a DE prospect, like Myles Garrett is closest comp... plus the Skins might suck but around Chase Young is Payne, Allen and Sweat so it's 4 first round picks on the DL plus Ryan Kerrigan)
Eagles - B- (This grade is either a B or an F. They got fast as fuck.)


AFC East
Jets - A- (I like their class, but it has a lot more boom busts than the other A range teams)
Patriots - D+ (tbh Dugger and Uche are the only two good picks. Those two are As, Jennings and Onwenu are C the rest solid F.
Dolphins - B+ (This is carried by Tua. They kinda fucked up big time given what the upside of all their picks was. Hunt Jones and Kindley are the three I'd say are safe bets to be pretty good value outside Tua. Jackson is 20 and raw with athletic upside, and Igbinoghene is similar... I just dunno if that's a smart route to go with basically weird offseason coaching this year and then Noah Igbinoghene is also a CB and they have like the two highest paid CBs in Xavier Howard and Byron Jones so I dunno how that shits going to work out maybe he plays slot and thats not really good value in the first (ie Amik was close to best nickel cb in the class and went like 4th round.)
Bills - A- (This is the strongest class without a first round pick or at least a contender imo, top to bottom good picks)

NFC North
Packers - C (Love should be good down the line but this was an inappropriate time to take him since they were a game away from the SB last year. Garvin I think is a good 7th rounder and Deguara was taken a bit early but I like him. It's a little hilarious that in such a stupidly deep WR class they ignored the position. Like KJ Hill in the 7th probably starts on the Packers tbh)
Bears - D+ (This class is carried by Jaylon Johnson who is an A. The rest of the class sucks ass. Like Kmet is good but he's the 8th TE on the Bears currently... prolly TE2 for them behind Jimmy Graham this year with a shorten offseason, but a stupid pick for their first pick because shit like OL with Josh Jones would have been infinitely more impactful. It's almost like they want Trubiski to fail so they can get Fields or Lawrence next year.)
Lions - B+ (A tier class until the pick after Cephus, then they went randoms and dinged their grade a bit, good class though)
Vikings - A- (Similar grade to the Lions I think with a very solid class until late, except I think the Vikings nailed a 7th rounder in Willekes.)

AFC North
Ravens - A maybe A+ (one of the strongest drafts top to bottom. Like James Proche and Geno Stone were their 6th and 7th rounders who were worth it in like the 4th)
Bengals - A- (Burrow is an A+, they just didn't really do so hot afterwards. Getting a Burrow tier player is a game changer though so still in the A range)
Browns - A- (I like all their picks, but I think they could have done better so I'm deducting a parital grade because I dont like the class as much as other A tier)
Steelers - C (Highsmith and Claypool define their class and both are raw high upside guys.)

AFC South
Texans - B - (Blacklock Greenard and Heck were solid picks. Traded so much of their class that landing three solids is worth a B)
Colts - A- (This is how you nail the draft without a first rounder similar to the Bills. I think Jonathan Taylor might transform that offense in a big way and this is one of the few ideal scenarios for Eason to develop. Pittman is a budget version of Keenan Allen for Rivers too so that's solid.)
Jaguars - B (Thought about deducting another partial grade because its not as strong as previous Jaguars drafts, but they really shoulda considered moving up for Tua. I like their first three picks though, but this team has issues and Minshew as their only QB seems like they are trying to top 5 pick, but drafting some good pieces.)
Titans - C+ (Isaiah Wilson basically only had first round value to this specific team. Henry running behind Wilson should be fun. Fulton was a solid pick and Evans is a solid backup for Henry.)

[The Cheat]

Thank you Hulky

[Hugh]

This Deandre Baker and Quinton Dunbar armed robbery story is just flat out insane.

[The Cheat]

How can players be so stupid?

[bdog1321]

19-0

[The Cheat]

Lol fuck you Drew Brees

[The One]

Hope NFL season isn’t greatly impacted like it has for NBA and MLB. Not having pro sports to watch for this long really sucks.

[Hugh]

Oh I’m thinking the NFL will be greatly impacted. How can it not be?

[The Cheat]

Hope NFL season isn’t greatly impacted like it has for NBA and MLB. Not having pro sports to watch for this long really sucks.

LOL

Wait...were you being serious?

Oh dear

[The One]

Yep I was serious. Fed up with the pandemic. And when I mean greatly impacted, I mean 0 games. Fuck 2020.