For NFL fans

[Da Gyps]

Me too

Me three.

[Greendaybum5]

You are delusional.

Care to elaborate?

[Sanosuke]

Bradford wasn't allowed because Chip Kelly is a control freak. Basically doesn't do anything or hold any relation to Carson Wentz. You said plenty of QBs can't audible but don't bother naming any of the plenty, probably because outside maybe like 3 starting QBs everyone does it as good or better. You say watch his pocket prescence is proof of his ability whens hes played against the bears, browns and steelers...all of whom lack on defense.

Pretty done with this though. Your Wentz blinders are incredibly thick. No point in continuing the discussion after this.

[Hulky]

Only teams that have shit QB options are like SF, and CLE everyone else at least has someone that has wildcard talent at least [or multiple options with potential].

[Greendaybum5]

Only teams that have shit QB options are like SF, and CLE everyone else at least has someone that has wildcard talent at least [or multiple options with potential].

I'd argue Bears, Jets and Rams don't fit that category. Unless you're counting Goff, but we can't tell that yet.

Cutler is an avg QB, but he's not leading a team to playoffs when he can't even win over a locker room. Waste of talent imo.

Jets.....well Fitzpatrick is a bum.

[bludhoundz]

Cutler has been to the playoffs before though and won a game iirc. I think he gets too much hate - I mean he has a lot of issues but to say hes on the level of Gabbert or Fitzpatrick is kinda silly. I agree Rams should def be on the list though

[Maverik]

and his wife is bangin

[Gryph]

Cutler has been to the playoffs before though and won a game iirc. I think he gets too much hate - I mean he has a lot of issues but to say hes on the level of Gabbert or Fitzpatrick is kinda silly. I agree Rams should def be on the list though

fwiw, stat comparing, Cutler is virtually the same as Fitzpatrick.

http://imgur.com/WcY9uGX

[The Butcher]

Cutler has been to the playoffs before though and won a game iirc.

Didn't Tebow do that too?

Cutler sucks.

[Gryph]

Didn't Tebow do that too?

Cutler sucks.

Rex Grossman made it to a superbowl, don't forget that lol

[Da Gyps]

Yeah Cutler is hot garbage. I would stop watching Chiefs games if he was the Chiefs QB.


Rex Grossman made it to a superbowl, don't forget that lol

NEVER FORGET.

Also there are some dogs with fleas that have won a SB. Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Hostetler, Namath (seriously, it's bullshit that he is in the HOF) and hell even Pey just last year but overall Peyton was a great QB so he doesn't belong in a group with those 4 turds.

[Da Gyps]

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/N/NamaJo00.htm

Would not even stick in the league today..........

[Hugh]

You're absolutely right, Gyps.

[The Butcher]

Anyone have a good site for knock off stitched NFL/NHL jerseys?

I used to use tarajersey.com, but they've been shut down for a while.

No, I won't pay $200 for a Wentz jersey

[Maverik]

Sano got some cheap ones in Korea, I'm pretty sure

[Greendaybum5]

Anyone have a good site for knock off stitched NFL/NHL jerseys?

I used to use tarajersey.com, but they've been shut down for a while.

No, I won't pay $200 for a Wentz jersey

yea tara shut down a while ago.

butch a few of us are putting an order in soon let me find the site

[The Butcher]

that is awesome, and perfect timing for me financially. Please keep me in the loop, i have paypal or whatever you guys need as far as payment.

[Greendaybum5]

www.aliexpress.com

20-40...gotta love china

gonna order today.

[Hulky]

Have to count Goff he was this years first overall pick. The Rams can't address the QB when the one the invested everything into hasn't played a regular season snap.

Cutler and Fitzpatrick can lead a team to a wildcard berth I think that's kinda a given.

[The Cheat]

While this may sound like a troll against mantis (it really isnt) why does Cincy look so bad this year? Or at least just meh looking? I know they lost some people but still.

[Da Gyps]

It's the ginger QB, he can't be trusted.

[Da Gyps]

If they lose to the Dolphins though, Mantis should give up on the season.

[Maverik]

its the refs, duh

[Da Gyps]

http://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2013-10/enhanced/webdr03/22/8/anigif_enhanced-buzz-9184-1382445554-35.gif

[Hugh]

Dolphins uniforms are horrific.

[KBHoleN1]

Really, really bad. I turned on the game and couldn't figure out if these were even the right teams.

[The Cheat]

Dolphins uniforms are horrific.

Both are tonight. I can't stand all white uniforms.

If I start edelman ends up playing QB and I start him at WR...do I get more points?

[bludhoundz]

yes

[Da Gyps]

You get all the points playa

[Hugh]

Dolphins are butt.

[Da Gyps]

Huge dino butt. At least Mantis doesn't have to abandon all hope yet.

[Burnout278]

But the refs screwed the Bengals. They should have had like 15000000000000 more points but the refs

[Mantis]

While this may sound like a troll against mantis (it really isnt) why does Cincy look so bad this year? Or at least just meh looking? I know they lost some people but still.
Three reasons. Aside from Green, Dalton has nobody to reliably throw the ball to until Eifert gets back from injury. This is an especially big problem once we get inside the red zone since Eifert was always our go-to guy there (as evidenced by the 5 FGs last night). Second reason is our running game is currently hot garbage. Third reason is that Hue Jackson was a great fucking OC and without him we're struggling more on that side of the ball than we should. Marvin Lewis has always been a mediocre at best coach, but the people around him made him look better than he was. Those people are now head coaches elsewhere.


its the refs, duh

Only watched the first half, but the refs were fine. If you can't see how downright awful the refs were in the Steelers and Broncos games then you are truly a fucking idiot (you too, burnout).

[Wizzy]

If you can't see how downright awful the refs were in the Steelers and Broncos games then you are truly a fucking idiot (you too, burnout).

don't you ever speak about burnout in that way

burn you want I should ban this mook?

[The Cheat]

Whoever told me that Jarvis Landry was good...go to hell.

Cut his ass this morning. Fuck him.

Every thursday day is god awful to watch

@wizzy: ban him.

[Hugh]

Matt Hasselbeck is already a much better analyst than Trent Dilfer. How many 40 year old, white, bald ex QBs do we really need? Hasselbeck is better looking, he speaks better, and he was actually a good player. Dilfer sucked.
I'd fire Dilfer's ass. He should be a QB coach for a junior college anyway.

[bdog1321]

Whoever told me that Jarvis Landry was good...go to hell.

Cut his ass this morning. Fuck him.

Every thursday day is god awful to watch

@wizzy: ban him.

He is one of the most heavily targeted receivers in the league (set a record for catches in a player's first two seasons, is like 3rd in targets this year)

Cutting him is beyond dumb.

[Da Gyps]

There are lots of people like Cheat in fantasy that overreact to one week.

[The Cheat]

He is one of the most heavily targeted receivers in the league (set a record for catches in a player's first two seasons, is like 3rd in targets this year)

Cutting him is beyond dumb.

He has done shit all year. It was the first time I started him. Will keep for now but only as trade bait. Had to play him for Dez is out and Jackson hurt.

Also fuck you gyp.

[Da Gyps]

https://i.imgflip.com/1bn0lj.jpg

[Hugh]

He's good. He's just way too in love with his arm. I see him do shit all the time that he just doesn't need to, or flat out shouldn't.
How many times have you seen Luck bomb the ball 40 yards to the end zone to a receiver who is covered, or double covered? Not just in desperate situations or coming from behind late. 2nd or 3rd and medium in close games. He does it all the time. Luck's problem isn't that he's in a situation where he has to do it all himself. No QB is really.
It's that he thinks he has to do it all himself, or even wants to. That's what I see when he plays.

[Da Gyps]

So far he has pretty much had one good season. I think the jury is still out. I agree that at times I tries to do too much, go deep too often etc...

[Hulky]

So nice to see the Raiders being able to dominate in ST again. Been a long time since we've had a returner, but we've always had an elite punter and pretty good kicker.

EDIT: I make this fucking post after a beautiful coffin punt, 40+ yard return, and a redzone TD+XP... then Baltimore fucking uses Hester for a 60 yard return fml.

[Da Gyps]

Crabtree very nice catch. Feeling pretty good about taking the Raiders in pick em.

[Hulky]

What's up with the Lion's having no offense against the Bears? Is anyone watching that game?

[Mantis]

I was so close to picking the Bills as my upset pick this week. Damn.

[bludhoundz]

What's up with the Lion's having no offense against the Bears? Is anyone watching that game?

I watched that game. The Lions run game was awful and unable to get anything going on the ground, often losing yards. Stafford never got into a rhythm in the passing game, with most of the short passes being tackled right away, and anything downfield was contested / inaccurate throws. The O Line was losing the battle and there was pressure on him. 2 bad giveaways at poor times really cost them the game too, otherwise they would have had at least 1 more FG

EDIT:

Also the Bears played keep away with clock killing drives based on the run game (which was extremely effective) and a short passing game that played to Hoyer's strengths. This meant the Lions didn't have the ball as much as they would have wanted

[Da Gyps]

https://twitter.com/Gaur_Nik/status/782664322241613824

[Hugh]

How about Prescott and Elliott?
Oh, I forgot. They suck. Nevermind.

[Da Gyps]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Hugh again.

Well shit.

[The Cheat]

So...if Romo gets healthy they play him...right.....right?

[Mantis]

Hell of a game for Elliott. He's starting to play more to the potential that I knew he could in the NFL. Meanwhile, Gurley gains 33 yards on 19 carries. Looking at you Sano... Mr. running back university. ;)

[Da Gyps]

How bad is this game going? An all-pro punter just did....THAT.

[Burnout278]

Anyone checking to make sure Gypsy is still alive?

[Maverik]

How about Prescott and Elliott?
Oh, I forgot. They suck. Nevermind.

I have no comment on Prescott, haven't had enough experience with him, but Elliott just ran on one of the worst teams on the league. Obviously its still an important NFL game, but I don't think it gives him any credence.

Great showing though and his most impressive performance for sure. Anybody to say otherwise is just being stubborn.

I definitely put SF in the bottom few teams though, by a longshot.

[Da Gyps]

Anyone checking to make sure Gypsy is still alive?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnHmskwqCCQ

[Hugh]

It pisses me off so much that refs throw flags for end zone dances. What do they think football is? Where do they think they are? Is the roar of 60,000 drunk fans and fireworks not a clue? Do they think it's a military funeral? A catholic mass? Why is it a penalty to celebrate a fucking touchdown?!?!
Fuck referees. They're all bitches, and so is Goodell.

[Maverik]

#refconspiracy

;)

[Maverik]

Goodell has to be the worst Commissioner in any major sport in recent history, right? of all time possibly?

how does he still have a fucking job

[Maverik]

not to mention a job that pays him so fucking egregiously

[Da Gyps]

It pisses me off so much that refs throw flags for end zone dances. What do they think football is? Where do they think the are? Is the roar of 60,000 drunK fans and fireworks not a clue? Do they think it's s military funeral? A catholic mass? Why is it a penalty to celebrate a fucking touchdown?!?!
Fuck referees. They're all bitches, and so is Goodell.

<3


Goodell has to be the worst Commissioner in any major sport in recent history, right? of all time possibly?

how does he still have a fucking job

Yeah pretty much but the NFL runs itself basically so he can be an incompetent shit but the league will still be turning a great profit.

[Maverik]

yea, totally right there

I just don't understand why they don't throw some manipulative weiner up there that is actually likeable

like, you're gonna make your money anyways, instead of having an imbecile everybody hates, just put up someone that is well received

[Da Gyps]

For sure. He has handled a lot of situations very poorly (he was going to suspend Ray Rice 2 games ffs), hard to imagine that many within the NFL are all that happy with him.

[Da Gyps]

It would be amazing if the players went on strike to try and get Goodell removed but I don't think something like that will ever happen.

[Hugh]

Goodell has to be the worst Commissioner in any major sport in recent history, right? of all time possibly?


Definitely. The guy is a gutless crapsack. I have no idea why he makes that much money either. None. I mean he does whatever the owners want and everyone else thinks he's a douchebag. They can't find some other boring, bland douchebag to do that they want for less than $40 million a year? What the fuck is happening?

[Maverik]

its really insulting to the fans too

like, maybe if shithead Goodell didn't make so much money, we could save a few bucks on tickets/gear and whatever else

[Hugh]

I really thought this would be a good game tonight.

[Hugh]

Dereck Carr is a stud. If I was starting a team and could pick any QB under 30 ( not named Russell Wilson of course ) I'd pick Carr for sure.

[Da Gyps]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z447qc4ZRRA

Lol, I needed this.

[Da Gyps]

I really thought this would be a good game tonight.

I was thinking a two touchdown win for Pitt given all the circumstances. I don't like that the Chiefs basically tried to just copy the Eagle's gameplan. Meh.


Dereck Carr is a stud. If I was starting a team and could pick any QB under 30 ( not named Russell Wilson of course ) I'd pick Carr for sure.

He is solid, I was hoping the Chiefs would draft him.

[bdog1321]

Prescott is legit, just not as legit as Antonio Ramiro. Elliott is impressive, even with 2 starters on the line out. I read some article that said the cowboys had like $49 million in cap space not playing yesterday lol. The "money 5" were all out (qb wr1 cb1 lt and top pass rusher) and the offense at least is humming. Also how about that Claiborne? I know it was the 49ers but there were a lot of encouraging things to take from that game.

Also I went to my girlfriend's homecoming this past weekend and holy shit is Canadian Foosball dumb and boring to watch. 3 downs? Way too many possessions and clock stoppages. Flags every other play. My high school team would have rocked them

[Maverik]

homecoming? you're dating a highschooler?

[bdog1321]

College

[Hugh]

I'm proud of you, bdog.
Not just for acknowledging Prescott, which is a huge step in preparing for life after Romo, but also for insulting Canadian football. Well done, sir.

[Hulky]

Crabtree's kinda the man now he's found his role. Was overhyped as a Jerry Rice 2.0 in SF, but is a pretty elite option for a #2 for the Raiders after Cooper.

Raiders are 8-0 with Seth Roberts catching a TD too. Not so much an indication the Raiders are three deep at WR, but like if Cooper/Crabtree have a third guy that puts in work our team can win and that's super nice to see given recent history.

[Maverik]

I'm proud of you, bdog.
Not just for acknowledging Prescott, which is a huge step in preparing for life after Romo, but also for insulting Canadian football. Well done, sir.

and for not dating a highschooler

[The Cheat]

Cheat 4 Commissioner: "It couldn't be any worse."

[Lex]

Cheat 4 Commissioner: "It couldn't be any worse."

False, there's always stern, selig, or bettman

[Hugh]

Sam Bradford and the Vikings. I told you, Sano.

[Da Gyps]

This is crazy.

[Sanosuke]

Better start making gold jackets for everyone who wins football games. Though idk if we have enough fabric for all that.

Carr is a manimal btw.

[Hugh]

Such a hater. It's hilarious. Dude, get those kids off your lawn!
I said I thought Bradford was interesting and could be a good fit in Minnesota. It's a simpler offense than he's had to run in the past. The defense is good, very good. He still has talent. Staying healthy has been and will be the issue.
You said he sucks and you don't give a shit about arm talent and all that, so you know.
4-0. Just saying.

[Da Gyps]

Okay good to see you are still alive after Saturday Sano.

[Da Gyps]

Such a hater. It's hilarious. Dude, get those kids off your lawn!
I said I thought Bradford was interesting and could be a good fit in Minnesota. It's a simpler offense than he's had to run in the past. The defense is good, very good. He still has talent. Staying healthy has been and will be the issue.
You said he sucks and you don't give a shit about arm talent and all that, so you know.
4-0. Just saying.

NFC Denver. He just has to be a caretaker, and he is doing a fine job so far.

[Hulky]

What's with this: O. Beckham 3 23 0

I forgot there was a game today and now it's too late

[Maverik]

the kid is a fucking idiot and everybody has realized it at this point except for him

he's like the Mantis of the NFL, he thinks everybody is out to get him and refuses to take responsibility for his own actions

[bludhoundz]

The unsportsmanlike conduct was kind of a shitty flag. I don't know what he said, but the defender definitely hit him after he was out of bounds.

I agree that I don't really think he realizes how people perceive his actions. He just gets frustrated and thinks everyone is out to get him. The very next play he committed OPI (not called) and then was the one to initiate contact out of bounds.

This is a concern for the team. I think the coaching staff needs to really step up. Not only is our star receiver acting out and isn't really taking responsibility for it, the team has committed costly penalties and turnovers the past two weeks.

[Da Gyps]

the kid is a fucking idiot and everybody has realized it at this point except for him

he's like the Mantis of the NFL, he thinks everybody is out to get him and refuses to take responsibility for his own actions

http://dailypop.in/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/rofl.png

[Greendaybum5]

The unsportsmanlike conduct was kind of a shitty flag. I don't know what he said, but the defender definitely hit him after he was out of bounds.

I agree that I don't really think he realizes how people perceive his actions. He just gets frustrated and thinks everyone is out to get him. The very next play he committed OPI (not called) and then was the one to initiate contact out of bounds.

This is a concern for the team. I think the coaching staff needs to really step up. Not only is our star receiver acting out and isn't really taking responsibility for it, the team has committed costly penalties and turnovers the past two weeks.

NYG just have to deal with it. Look at TO. guy should've been a 1st ballot HOF, his antics cost his the 1st time, but he'll get in eventually. Same thing should happen with OBJ.

[Mantis]

the kid is a fucking idiot and everybody has realized it at this point except for him

he's like the Mantis of the NFL, he thinks everybody is out to get him and refuses to take responsibility for his own actions

Hop off my junk, frat boy.

[Maverik]

The unsportsmanlike conduct was kind of a shitty flag. I don't know what he said, but the defender definitely hit him after he was out of bounds.

I agree that I don't really think he realizes how people perceive his actions. He just gets frustrated and thinks everyone is out to get him. The very next play he committed OPI (not called) and then was the one to initiate contact out of bounds.

This is a concern for the team. I think the coaching staff needs to really step up. Not only is our star receiver acting out and isn't really taking responsibility for it, the team has committed costly penalties and turnovers the past two weeks.

biggest thing is that Eli even lit him up after too saying he needs to get his shit together, that's no bueno

[The Cheat]

he's like the Mantis of the NFL, he thinks everybody is out to get him and refuses to take responsibility for his own actions

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Vladimir-Putin-Clapping.gif



Post of the month for sure. Well done Mav

[bludhoundz]

NYG just have to deal with it. Look at TO. guy should've been a 1st ballot HOF, his antics cost his the 1st time, but he'll get in eventually. Same thing should happen with OBJ.

not many teams really wanted to deal with it when they had TO, which is why he was on so many different teams

it's a different situation but he's still young so i'm hoping he can grow out of this, at least somewhat.

[Greendaybum5]

Does anyone bet on games? I've got a website I use where they give you a free $25 to start. You settle up via paypal/venom on Tuesdays. You also get $50 free play for referring people once they make their first bet with non-free play money.

[Maverik]

I love gambling

you bet spreads or just straight up or what

[Da Gyps]

No one bets straight up do they?

[Sanosuke]

Such a hater. It's hilarious. Dude, get those kids off your lawn!
I said I thought Bradford was interesting and could be a good fit in Minnesota. It's a simpler offense than he's had to run in the past. The defense is good, very good. He still has talent. Staying healthy has been and will be the issue.
You said he sucks and you don't give a shit about arm talent and all that, so you know.
4-0. Just saying.

kk

[Maverik]

No one bets straight up do they?

true, I doubt any professional site would

I bet via DraftKings, but that's it

I think I'm like +~80 over last year and the start to this year

[Da Gyps]

Nice. I haven't won shit on DK.

[Maverik]

first week of last year I won like 441 or something like that

won 81 first week this year

everything else has been like ~$20ish losses or like $7 wins

[Greendaybum5]

I love gambling

you bet spreads or just straight up or what I only bet Straight up (money lines) in Parlays


No one bets straight up do they?

yea people do, not often tho unless in a parlay


first week of last year I won like 441 or something like that

won 81 first week this year

everything else has been like ~$20ish losses or like $7 wins

yea I'm almost identical to that, but your win last year was much bigger my biggest cash last year was $250

Mav if you want to bet on the site let me know. I do small ($5-$20 parlays)

[Maverik]

yea, will do

wanna send me one of your betting cards, either previous or for this week, so I can get an idea of how the format and everything is

I used to help my buddy with his parlays, but never did any myself

[Mantis]

Eifert was set to come back Sunday after his ankle injury and now I find out he has injured his back? WTF?!?! We need him if we want to make the playoffs. I'd argue that he's even more crucial than AJ Green for our team, especially in the redzone. Our backup tight ends have rocks for hands. It's gonna be a long game Sunday against Dallas without him, especially if our running game continues to be shit, which it most likely will.

[Hugh]

I know Palmer is out but I really thought the Cardinals would struggle this year. I'm not surprised by this.

[Greendaybum5]

yea, will do

wanna send me one of your betting cards, either previous or for this week, so I can get an idea of how the format and everything is

I used to help my buddy with his parlays, but never did any myself

it's a website. go to like bovada's site, it's kind of similar to that

[Da Gyps]

https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/413/863/4863413.PNG

Bdog is all-in now.

[Hulky]

Who is the face on the far right? Is that Hillary Clinton?

[Hugh]

What an asshat.

[Mantis]

Who is the face on the far right? Is that Hillary Clinton?

That's what it looks like to me too haha. I like the commitment by bdog, though.

I think the Bengals might get railed today. Cowboys are a hot team and we're playing nowhere near our potential. Last in redzone offense and it won't get better with Eifert still out. I read today that Dalton has targeted Eifert in the endzone 11 times and completed 10 of those. When targeting other players, 5 of 30. Woof.

[Demicos]

Eagles, please.

[rainblade]

That four game suspension really took the life out of Brady.

[Burnout278]

That four game suspension really took the life out of Brady.

Could say it deflated his ego

[rainblade]

Could say it deflated his ego

Yeah, Brady is sooooo egotistical.

https://s9.postimg.org/3l2ekbblr/14657497_10100554774749101_3823261815179637059_n.j pg

[Da Gyps]

Yeah, Brady is sooooo egotistical.

Of course he is, but it's a good thing.

[Da Gyps]

Man that poster shop is A+. Has a lot going on.

[Mantis]

Damn I wish we had Zeke...

[Burnout278]

Damn I wish we had Zeke...

I hear you can get cream for that

[Da Gyps]

Damn I wish we had Zeke...

Kid is a beast.

[Mantis]

Well as I pretty much expected, we're having our asses handed to us. I'm not surprised that our offense isn't getting it going, but I'm somewhat surprised by how bad our defense is. Holy shit. Cowgirls are looking pretty good this year.

[Da Gyps]

Watching Denver struggle is satisfying.

[Hugh]

Dallas definitely has something going. They already had the best o-line in football, and Prescott/Elliot have been the spark they needed.
They should not put Romo back in. The choice is clear. There's no reason to fuck with what they're doing. Clearly Dak can handle the pressure, both stage and situational, and it's clear the guy can play.
I don't think they'll go back to Romo. I think it's a mistake if they do.

[Da Gyps]

Dallas definitely has something going. They already had the best o-line in football, and Prescott/Elliot have been the spark they needed.
They should not put Romo back in. The choice is clear. There's no reason to fuck with what they're doing. Clearly Dak can handle the pressure, both stage and situational, and it's clear the guy can play.
I don't think they'll go back to Romo. I think it's a mistake if they do.

Consider the idiots in charge though. I bet they will.

[Hugh]

Those idiots are the reason I even bothered to say it, because it should go without saying.
But all that considered, I still think they'll stick with Prescott now.
Last year Romo got hurt and they lost every game he missed. They were totally fucked without him, finished 4-12.
This time he got hurt before the season even started, but instead of another wasted season this rookie 4th round pick has stepped in and been exactly what they needed. Couple him with a rookie RB who looks like a star and suddenly they're 4-1 and Cowboy fans are excited about the future. Hell, they should he excited about right now.
Why would they ever push pause on all this to bring back Tony Romo?

[Da Gyps]

I hope for Bdog's sake, and the Cowboys in general that you are right. I think Garrett is legitimately one of the worst coaches in the league and well Jerry Jones is just absurd as an owner, far too involved.

[Da Gyps]

*passes out*

[Da Gyps]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuXPOqEUIAAgMMX.jpg

[Mantis]

So Bosa had a good first game..

[Da Gyps]

So Bosa had a good first game..

That tOSU title team was really fucking good but you knew that already lol.

[bdog1321]

Of course they'll put romo back in. With Romo we're undefeated. He's still one of the best

[Da Gyps]

Romo would have lots of turnovers, do you really want that? Cowboys might not be 4-1 with Romo....

[bdog1321]

I implore you to go do some research on tony romo's turnover rates, both fumbling and interceptions. You'll be disappointed

[The Cheat]

Did...Did Cliche really say that Brady isn't egotistical?

Holy mother of God...

[KBHoleN1]

Zeke and Dak are playing great, but don't forget how good this offensive line is. The blocks they were throwing today ... Alfred Morris was averaging 5.5 a carry, so it's not like it's just Zeke having success or Prescott completing tough passes. He has time to throw and scan the field and he's not getting hit a lot. Injuries are inevitable in the NFL, and if someone on the line gets banged up Prescott may not look quite as good without the same protection. I'm not saying he's going to struggle just because he's a rookie, but it's possible this offense slows down a bit as the season wears on. Romo is really, really good, let's not pretend like he's not. If it weren't for the injuries that have plagued him the last several years, he would be putting up monster years with this O-line (like leading the league in passer rating in 2014). I think Prescott playing well lets Romo rest up a few extra weeks, but I don't know how he doesn't get the call once he's healthy. And I don't see Dak as the type of person to protest - he knows he's the future of this team.

[Da Gyps]

I implore you to go do some research on tony romo's turnover rates, both fumbling and interceptions. You'll be disappointed

Double digit picks 6/10 years, with 9 two other years. 2010 and 2015 were greatly shortened seasons with 7 picks each. Wasn't near the top of the league in int% for the seasons I checked. Something particular you want me to be looking at here? I do think Romo is a good QB overall tho.

[rainblade]

Did...Did Cliche really say that Brady isn't egotistical?

Holy mother of God...

e·go·tis·ti·cal
ˌēɡəˈtistək(ə)l/
adjective
excessively conceited or absorbed in oneself; self-centered

Show me an example of Brady being egotistical. Seriously. Just because he wins a lot and knows he's good doesn't mean he's egotistical. If anything, Brady is the epitome of a team player, a perfect teammate.

He is no Donald Trump, for example. Donald Trump is someone who is egotistical.

edit: I suppose I should clarify since we're conflating terms here.

e·go
ˈēɡō/
noun
a person's sense of self-esteem or self-importance.
"a boost to my ego"
synonyms: self-esteem, self-importance, self-worth, self-respect, self-image, self-confidence
"the defeat was a bruise to his ego"
PSYCHOANALYSIS
the part of the mind that mediates between the conscious and the unconscious and is responsible for reality testing and a sense of personal identity.
PHILOSOPHY
(in metaphysics) a conscious thinking subject.


I assume 'having an ego' means someone is egotistical. If that's not what Burn meant, then my mistake. Of course Brady has an 'ego.' We all do.

[Hulky]

Eat shit and die Rivers (but thanks for scoring me a dick ton of fantasy points <3)
Raiders #1!!!!

[bdog1321]

Double digit picks 6/10 years, with 9 two other years. 2010 and 2015 were greatly shortened seasons with 7 picks each. Wasn't near the top of the league in int% for the seasons I checked. Something particular you want me to be looking at here? I do think Romo is a good QB overall tho.

He has a very low interception percentage. It's the same as newton, Peyton, and roethlisberger's. Are any of them considered turnover machines, or even relatively turnover prone? No.

Please refer here http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career.htm and play around with the career qb stats. Romo is near the top of all of them and his skills haven't disminished. Dakmania is embarrassing to witness when you take a step back and really realize what you're saying. Romo isn't good, he's historically great. And you have to take that even if there's a risk for injury.

[Burnout278]

e·go·tis·ti·cal
ˌēɡəˈtistək(ə)l/
adjective
excessively conceited or absorbed in oneself; self-centered

Show me an example of Brady being egotistical. Seriously. Just because he wins a lot and knows he's good doesn't mean he's egotistical. If anything, Brady is the epitome of a team player, a perfect teammate.

He is no Donald Trump, for example. Donald Trump is someone who is egotistical.

edit: I suppose I should clarify since we're conflating terms here.

e·go
ˈēɡō/
noun
a person's sense of self-esteem or self-importance.
"a boost to my ego"
synonyms: self-esteem, self-importance, self-worth, self-respect, self-image, self-confidence
"the defeat was a bruise to his ego"
PSYCHOANALYSIS
the part of the mind that mediates between the conscious and the unconscious and is responsible for reality testing and a sense of personal identity.
PHILOSOPHY
(in metaphysics) a conscious thinking subject.


I assume 'having an ego' means someone is egotistical. If that's not what Burn meant, then my mistake. Of course Brady has an 'ego.' We all do.

I was just making a joke, and you wrecked it. Dick

[Hulky]

https://www.facebook.com/MEMES.of.the.NFL/videos/1262175437162475/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED

I lol'd at this. How do you line up that off

[Da Gyps]

He has a very low interception percentage. It's the same as newton, Peyton, and roethlisberger's. Are any of them considered turnover machines, or even relatively turnover prone? No.

Please refer here http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career.htm and play around with the career qb stats. Romo is near the top of all of them and his skills haven't disminished. Dakmania is embarrassing to witness when you take a step back and really realize what you're saying. Romo isn't good, he's historically great. And you have to take that even if there's a risk for injury.

Great QBs tend to win playoff games.

Also if you think Romo is a top 5 QB of all time you are https://youtu.be/IF2RYhNhBdw?t=1m34s

[bdog1321]

Great QBs tend to win playoff games.

Also if you think Romo is a top 5 QB of all time you are https://youtu.be/IF2RYhNhBdw?t=1m34s

I'm sorry, I didn't know they'd changed the name to the Dallas Romos.

To that end, Aaron rodgers has played pretty well but ultimately done nothing in the playoffs (win one or one and done)every single year outside of 2010, when the The defense ranked fifth in yards allowed and finished second in least amount of points allowed (240, second best in team history), sacks (47), and interceptions (24).

Feed me more narratives to destroy

[Da Gyps]

Are you really saying Romo is a top 5 QB ever? Because L O L.

[bdog1321]

Are you really saying Romo is a top 5 QB ever? Because L O L.

I am not. He doesn't even need to approach top 5 all time to merit being starter when healthy

[Da Gyps]

Btw I'm with you on Rodgers. He is overrated at this pt imo.

[Burnout278]

I'd take Romo over Alex Smith

[Hulky]

If you take Romo's stats and divide them by games played, then multiply them by 16 to get an average full year stats:

So Romo has 143 starts.
239 yards 1.73 TDs 0.82 INT and a career 65.3 completion percentage
So an average 16 game season would be
3824 yards 27 TDs 13 INT 65.3%

Now some other guys that start in the NFL's last year stats:
Tom Brady: 4770 yards 36 TDs 7 INT 64.4%
Carson Palmer: 4671 yards 35 TDs 11 INT 63.7%
Eli Manning: 4432 yards 35 TDs 14 INT 62.6%
Matt Stafford: 4262 yards 32 TDs 13 INT 67.2%
Russell Wilson: 4024 yards 34 TDs 8 INT 68.1%
Derek Carr: 3987 yards 32 TDs 13 INT 61.1%
Jay Cutler: 3659 yards 21 TDs 11 INT 64.4%
Andy Dalton: 3250 yards 25 TDs 7 INT 66.1%
Alex Smith: 3486 yards 20 TDs 7 INT 65.3%
Ryan Fitzpatrick: 3905 yards 31 TDs 15 INT 59.6%

Tony Romo 3705 yards 34 TDs 9 INT 69.9%

Obviously Tony Romo is a top handful QB in the NFL when he was last healthy, but then put Dak's start over a 16 game and you get:
3965 yards 13 TDs 0 INT 69.0%

If you put his rushing TDs as passing that number goes to 22. Cowboys would be good either way if Romo comes back or not, but when if Dak keeps winning the way he has been it's got to be a more difficult decision to bench him other than well Romo has been pretty damn good when healthy. Especially if Dak starts using Dez (when he's healthy). Moving on from Romo next year would free up 5 mil that year, and then something like 16 the next, and 20 the third year. Dak probably is the future of the Cowboys it's just if Romo get's a last shot at the playoffs or not to fight for 2017 I think.

[Hugh]

Alex Smith will be available to play Sunday. Romo can't stay on the field anymore. That's the issue. His career stats and who he's better than historically and all the rest doesn't mean shit.

[The Professor]

Wait, Rodgers overrated?

Aside from Jordy Nelson, who has he really had to throw too? Jennings for a couple of years? Cobb?

He's made everyone of those receivers better. He's never had a Julio Jones, Dez, Megatron, or Witten and Gronk at TE. If he ever got a stud like them, it would be Brady/Moss all over again. Also doesn't help that McCarthys play calling is atrocious. He's worse than Jason Garrett.

Packers offense relies on timing and Rodgers pinpoint accuracy. They don't really have anybody except Jordy that can win one on one, especially in the red zone. You guys are on crack.


Also, Romo should start. Dak is safer, but Romo offers a higher ceiling currently. Teams still don't respect Dak as a thrower, they do with Romo. IF (key word) he's healthy, he should start. I also believe most of the Cowboys support Romo over Dak if it came to it and that's important.

[bludhoundz]

Yeah it's pretty telling with Rodgers when he has the longest snap to throw time in the league. He always has to buy time for his receivers to get open

[The Cheat]

Rogers is on the downslide. That team is going to be god awful in a few years.

So are the Vikings and falcons legit?

[KBHoleN1]

Ron Rivera called two timeouts on that Bucs drive thinking he'd get the ball back with a chance to win. Bucs kick a winning field goal as time expires. Looks pretty stupid now. Anderson threw two picks, fumbled once on a terrible scramble spin attempt. Panthers go from unquestionably the best team in the NFC, to absolute dogshut in one season. Head scratching.

[Hulky]

Ron Rivera called two timeouts on that Bucs drive thinking he'd get the ball back with a chance to win. Bucs kick a winning field goal as time expires. Looks pretty stupid now. Anderson threw two picks, fumbled once on a terrible scramble spin attempt. Panthers go from unquestionably the best team in the NFC, to absolute dogshut in one season. Head scratching.

Didn't they do that the last time they were great too? I think it was DeAngelo's 1515 year and then the next they were garbage.

[bludhoundz]

It's also been a rough schedule and some bad luck but yeah they've fallen pretty far. Superbowl hangover is real. Their defense is not good this year.

Which week do you guys think the Vikings will lose?

[Burnout278]

Next week v Eagles or the week they play the Cardinals

[bdog1321]

Against the cowboys

Nah I don't actually feel very good at all about that game. But I'm liking our chances against the Packers a whole lot more after this past week.

[rainblade]

This is a serious question, and I want some opinions: How do Bennett and Gronk compare to Hernandez and Gronk?

Also, Chris Hogan is a longish, built white boy. Does he stretch the field enough to give Brady a reliable deep-threat?

[bludhoundz]

Bennett is better than Hernandez. He is taller, stronger, and can block which was always one of he mismatch components of 2 TE sets which Hernandez didn't add much to.

Hernandez was faster and more agile tho, so he complemented Gronk in that way. Personally I think this is more deadly because it gives them a boost in the run game

[rainblade]

Bennett is better than Hernandez. He is taller, stronger, and can block which was always one of he mismatch components of 2 TE sets which Hernandez didn't add much to.

Hernandez was faster and more agile tho, so he complemented Gronk in that way. Personally I think this is more deadly because it gives them a boost in the run game

Also, is this the best receiving corps in the NFL currently?

1. Gronk
2. Bennett
3. Edelman
4. Amendola
5. Hogan

[bdog1321]

Also, is this the best receiving corps in the NFL currently?

1. Gronk
2. Bennett
3. Edelman
4. Amendola
5. Hogan

Easily

[rainblade]

Easily

What's the next best?

[Hulky]

Arizona has better WRs, but no TE basically. Other teams kinda follow that mold. Gronk is just on another level than other TEs so lumping the two positions makes it hard.

[bludhoundz]

^ agreed

Arizona, Washington, and probably both NYs are up there. Pittsburgh would be if Martavis wasn't suspended

If you include RBs who can catch well I might contend that Atlanta is at the top of the list. But without considering that, Brady has the best weapons yeah

[bdog1321]

^ agreed

Arizona, Washington, and probably both NYs are up there. Pittsburgh would be if Martavis wasn't suspended

If you include RBs who can catch well I might contend that Atlanta is at the top of the list. But without considering that, Brady has the best weapons yeah

i think the cardinals' wrs are greatly overrated. if we're disqualifying the steelers due to suspension, jets should be too because of injuries. and the redskins wr corps is great on paper but no so much in actuality this year. the only other team i think that really rivals the patriots is the giants; if they had a legit tight end they'd be scary.

[bludhoundz]

I kind of agree about the Cardinals, but Floyd is also having a down year. He's a guy who can be good but just hasn't put it all together.

How long is Decker really gonna be out? I was assuming he'd be back relatively soon.

I think Redskins corps is still one of the stronger ones in the league. - Reed is the 1, Djax is the 2, Garcon is the 3, and Crowder is the 4. Each is pretty good for their spot if you compare other teams' pecking orders around the league. Maybe hasn't been as good this year but teams got to see the tape on their offense from last year so I think there's an adjustment period there.

Giants trio is solid but we don't have that big guy as you kind of alluded to. Also they've been underperforming because Eli is letting us down right now :(

[Hulky]

Redskins also have their first rounder Josh Doctson when he gets healthy/ready.

[Burnout278]

Vikings
Wr:
Stefan Diggs, charles Johnson, cordarrell patterson
Te: kyle Rudolph
Rb: jerick McKinnon

All they are really missing is a 2nd te

[Hulky]

Vikings
Wr:
Stefan Diggs, charles Johnson, cordarrell patterson
Te: kyle Rudolph
Rb: jerick McKinnon

All they are really missing is a 2nd te

What they need to do is use Treadwell the guy is awesome

[Burnout278]

What they need to do is use Treadwell the guy is awesome

I think they will, but right now they are trying to work Bradford into the fold more. I think the play calling has been very conservative.

I almost put him in there as well, but I didn't because he hasn't had a chance to completely show up. I wonder if something is up. He didn't even get to play with Diggs out.

Also Thielen and Jarius Wright are both decent. The Vikings WRs are very deep.

[Hulky]

I like Treadwell a lot and more than any WR on that team. He must not get their playbook or something like their route depths or whatever must be off from what he's used to or something because he made some sick catches at Ole Miss and is also a wicked good blocker. I wanted him in my top few choices for the Raiders this last year. I thought Cooper and Treadwell on the outside and Crabtree as a slot like the 49ers used Boldin would be dope.

[Hugh]

Vikings
Wr:
Stefan Diggs, charles Johnson, cordarrell patterson
Te: kyle Rudolph
Rb: jerick McKinnon

All they are really missing is a 2nd te

The Vikings aren't in the conversation of best receiving or skill position groups. Not even close.

[Mantis]

Ya'll getting worked in that pick'em. :cool:

Now watch me fail miserably the rest of the season haha.

[Hulky]

https://twitter.com/CNN_Central/status/786600842271031296

"Tony Romo files for restraining order against Dallas couple after they sent him a homemade "poop sex" video to his email address."

[Mantis]

Damn it should be 14-3 Bengals if we could pick up less than a fucking yard on 3 tries. That's going to come back to bite us.

[Da Gyps]

Lol Redskins

[Mantis]

Gronk is such a piece of shit.

[Da Gyps]

You said Gronk when you meant Burfict who was clearly to blame for the situation since he had been going at the knees of Gronk and Bennett earlier...

And yes I've been watching this game, almost entirely. Bengals play dirty on defense.

[Da Gyps]

Carson Wentz's stat line in this game LOL

[Mantis]

You said Gronk when you meant Burfict who was clearly to blame for the situation since he had been going at the knees of Gronk and Bennett earlier...

And yes I've been watching this game, almost entirely. Bengals play dirty on defense.

Lmao. And your defense for Blount taking a shot to our player's face well after the play while the refs watched with no flag? Was that because Burfict too? Gronk had to talk shit for a good 2 minutes straight before they finally threw a flag. He was basically begging for it. Btw Burfict went low one time. You act like players never get tackled low. Good luck tackling Gronk high haha. I like you Gyps, but that was just plain stupid.

[Da Gyps]

Blount is a dumbass and he should not have done that but Bengals were doing more after the whistle on that play which you will no doubt deny. It's not like I'm a fan of either team here, I am impartial and watching this game because it was one of the more interesting early match-ups I thought.

[Mantis]

I'm not denying that it's chippy all around now, but our guys didn't take a shot at someone's face after the play. Most obvious personal foul I've seen go without being called. And yes, I'm also well aware that that flag would not have impacted the outcome of the game. My only point was that Gronk and Blount are huge pieces of shit.

[Da Gyps]

The game got really stupid in a hurry. Surprised Blount wasn't ejected for that fwiw.

[Mantis]

Can we fire Marvin now?

[Da Gyps]

Wtf the Steelers are getting routed by the Dolphins.

[Da Gyps]

Can we fire Marvin now?

Past due imo.

[Mantis]

Past due imo.

By about 10 years... literally.

[Da Gyps]

Bucks game last night was really exciting. You were right about it being a tight game.

[Mantis]

Wisconsin is legit. Their defense can keep them in the game with anyone and their offense was playing well too (though a lot of that was due to our defense giving up uncharacteristic big plays). If their QB wasn't injured against Michigan, it could have been a different game. You could also tell that they were really well prepared on both sides of the ball coming off the bye week. It looked like they basically had our playbooks.

[Hugh]

By about 10 years... literally.

Seriously. They need to cut the fucking chord.

[Da Gyps]

Chiefs Raiders game feels odd, which I guess makes sense given the weather conditions. Raiders feel like they should be ahead, but Chiefs with a halftime lead and receiving the 2nd half kickoff.

Pic unrelated: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cu61LI_WIAAFaF2.jpg

[The Cheat]

Gronk is such a piece of shit.

For once we agree on something although for different reasons.

[Da Gyps]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cu7FQwrWcAAKka1.jpg

[Da Gyps]

No one gets away with dpi like Richard Sherman.

[KBHoleN1]

What a no-call in the Seattle Atlanta game. Not sure how Sherman gets away with that.

[Burnout278]

What a no-call in the Seattle Atlanta game. Not sure how Sherman gets away with that.

http://img.pandawhale.com/post-36072-Richard-Sherman-Gifs-and-Memes-FWTY.jpeg

[Hugh]

What a no-call in the Seattle Atlanta game. Not sure how Sherman gets away with that.

Well it's not because all the refs love him so much. Sherman is the best for a reason. He knows when and how to foul. It's incredible how most professional corners don't.

[Hugh]

Bdog, any time you want to admit I was right about Prescott and how they shouldn't go back with Romo, feel free. It doesn't have to be now. Next week or the week after is fine. I know you know already and that's rewarding enough, so take your time. No pressure.

[Hulky]

So pissed at the KC/OAK game. It was rainy and half the idiots let their tickets get soaked to the point they wouldn't scan so like everyone missed the Raiders only TD because those clowns held up the line (like thousands of them).

[Mantis]

Bdog, any time you want to admit I was right about Prescott and how they shouldn't go back with Romo, feel free. It doesn't have to be now. Next week or the week after is fine. I know you know already and that's rewarding enough, so take your time. No pressure.

On a similar note, Sano, any time you want to admit that you were wrong about Zeke and he is better than Gurley, feel free. :)

First rookie in NFL history to have four straight 130+ yard rushing games. More yards per game than any other RB in the league. Rushing for 150+ yards against a team that only gives up 42 rushing yards per game on average. Say what you will about having a good offensive line, but I doubt that the cowboys are the only team with a good O line.

[Da Gyps]

So pissed at the KC/OAK game. It was rainy and half the idiots let their tickets get soaked to the point they wouldn't scan so like everyone missed the Raiders only TD because those clowns held up the line (like thousands of them).

People still use physical tickets? Lol.

[Hulky]

People still use physical tickets? Lol.

Yeah print outs for one game guys and season ticket holders use physical too.

[Hugh]

I just read that Dak Prescott's hand size is 10 7/8 in. What the fuck? Those have to be the biggest hands of any QB in the league. Just saying because apparently people who get paid to evaluate and scout care about stuff like that. That's what I've heard at least.
Prescott is basically a giant Russell Wilson. The guy is built like a fucking tank. He does everything right, on and off. It takes listening to him talk for 2 minutes to tell he gets it.
How the hell did he slip to the 4th round?

[Spencer 555]

https://scontent.fyyz2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/fr/cp0/e15/q65/14715029_1269538499759502_4539273603103812048_o.jp g?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9

[Hulky]

I just read that Dak Prescott's hand size is 10 7/8 in. What the fuck? Those have to be the biggest hands of any QB in the league. Just saying because apparently people who get paid to evaluate and scout care about stuff like that. That's what I've heard at least.
Prescott is basically a giant Russell Wilson. The guy is built like a fucking tank. He does everything right, on and off. It takes listening to him talk for 2 minutes to tell he gets it.
How the hell did he slip to the 4th round?

Look at Paxton Lynch's hands

[KBHoleN1]

I just read that Dak Prescott's hand size is 10 7/8 in. What the fuck? Those have to be the biggest hands of any QB in the league. Just saying because apparently people who get paid to evaluate and scout care about stuff like that. That's what I've heard at least.
Prescott is basically a giant Russell Wilson. The guy is built like a fucking tank. He does everything right, on and off. It takes listening to him talk for 2 minutes to tell he gets it.
How the hell did he slip to the 4th round?
That DUI arrest that wasn't even proven (the breathalyzer was inconclusive and the charges were dismissed).

[Lex]

Lmao. And your defense for Blount taking a shot to our player's face well after the play while the refs watched with no flag? Was that because Burfict too? Gronk had to talk shit for a good 2 minutes straight before they finally threw a flag. He was basically begging for it. Btw Burfict went low one time. You act like players never get tackled low. Good luck tackling Gronk high haha. I like you Gyps, but that was just plain stupid.

Do you even watch your team play?


https://streamable.com/z3vx

Someone could have stabbed burfict and I would have called it justified. The dude is easily the dirtiest defender in the league.

[Hugh]

Look at Paxton Lynch's hands

Ok. I stand corrected.:)

[bdog1321]

Romo is still better. Dak did an okay job of managing while the run game and defense dominated tho

[The Butcher]

You're fucking unreal, bdog. Lol.

[bdog1321]

No I don't think so, but our offense is!

[The Butcher]

Well if it makes you feel any better, most of us are praying you are right and Romo comes back and fails so we can laugh at you. So there's that to look forward to.

[bludhoundz]

Mantis regarding Zeke vs Gurley just wanted to pick out a few things (I haven't watched enough of either to have a real opinion).

The Cowboys O Line isn't just good. It isnt just the best in the league. It is the best in the league by a considerable margin. Really. Watch them play and tell me Zeke doesn't consistently have nice holes and Dak doesn't have all day to survey the field. There really is no team with a group that rivals this one.

The 130+ rush yards per game is a really random stat. When I say random stat I mean that it really isn't a standard stat we talk about. # of 100 yard games someone has in a season is a stat I would consider not random.

The problem with random stats is that they don't tell the full story. They are tailor made for that specific player to make the feat sound more impressive. The fact that they used 130+ instead of 125+ indicates that maybe another rookie has had 4 games of 125+ in a row before (hint: it was Gurley, and he managed 128+ actually). This means that this "never before done feat" is really just slightly better than what someone else has already done, but packaged to make it sound like it's unbelievable. The four game streak is a bit arbitrary too - best measurements are by season or by game.

The NFL announcers and data people tend to throw out a lot of these stats. They used one for Odell too - most games in a row with 90+ yards for a rookie. 90 is arbitrary, used only so that the stat applies to him and disqualifies someone else who did something very similar. I bet you would all be scratching your heads if they used 88+ as the qualifier.

Ultimately I have no stake in this debate about young RBs, but I wanted to qualify some of the statements being made.

[Hugh]

While we all know Bdog is stubborn, delusional and clueless when it comes to Tony Romo, I'm making it pretty hard for him to accept the truth and admit he's wrong, even if it's actually starting to sink in. I admit that.

[Hulky]

Is anyone watching the Packers game? What's up with Aaron Rodgers this year?

[bdog1321]

While we all know Bdog is stubborn, delusional and clueless when it comes to Tony Romo, I'm making it pretty hard for him to accept the truth and admit he's wrong, even if it's actually starting to sink in. I admit that.

you know nothing, hugh junit

[Mantis]

Do you even watch your team play?


https://streamable.com/z3vx

Someone could have stabbed burfict and I would have called it justified. The dude is easily the dirtiest defender in the league.
If you could read, I said I saw him do it one time, and that was the one time I saw it. The clip cuts out, but the announcer says "I don't think he meant to go low, he was falling." I'm not sure if I believe that or not, but Gypsy said he was going low all game and that was the only time I saw him going low.

Mantis regarding Zeke vs Gurley just wanted to pick out a few things (I haven't watched enough of either to have a real opinion).

The Cowboys O Line isn't just good. It isnt just the best in the league. It is the best in the league by a considerable margin. Really. Watch them play and tell me Zeke doesn't consistently have nice holes and Dak doesn't have all day to survey the field. There really is no team with a group that rivals this one.

The 130+ rush yards per game is a really random stat. When I say random stat I mean that it really isn't a standard stat we talk about. # of 100 yard games someone has in a season is a stat I would consider not random.

The problem with random stats is that they don't tell the full story. They are tailor made for that specific player to make the feat sound more impressive. The fact that they used 130+ instead of 125+ indicates that maybe another rookie has had 4 games of 125+ in a row before (hint: it was Gurley, and he managed 128+ actually). This means that this "never before done feat" is really just slightly better than what someone else has already done, but packaged to make it sound like it's unbelievable. The four game streak is a bit arbitrary too - best measurements are by season or by game.

The NFL announcers and data people tend to throw out a lot of these stats. They used one for Odell too - most games in a row with 90+ yards for a rookie. 90 is arbitrary, used only so that the stat applies to him and disqualifies someone else who did something very similar. I bet you would all be scratching your heads if they used 88+ as the qualifier.

Ultimately I have no stake in this debate about young RBs, but I wanted to qualify some of the statements being made.

It was definitely a random stat, but I don't see how that makes it less impressive. I think the more impressive thing is running for 150+ yards against a team that gives up less than 50 a game (which is equally impressive of the GB defense and I almost couldn't believe at first).

[bludhoundz]

The randomness does make it less impressive because the "it's never been done before" with regards to it can be said about so many random stats. The actual statistic itself is pretty good, though. The tape is more impressive than the numbers if you ask me though

Also Packers D #s were really inflated and it was easy to see if you watched the teams they played before the Cowboys. I expected him to go over 100 but I'll admit I didn't expect 6ypc

[Hugh]

Jets are getting fucked on PI calls. Ridiculous.

[The Cheat]

Someone ban mantis from all football related threads. It is getting out of control.

[Lex]

If you could read, I said I saw him do it one time, and that was the one time I saw it. The clip cuts out, but the announcer says "I don't think he meant to go low, he was falling." I'm not sure if I believe that or not, but Gypsy said he was going low all game and that was the only time I saw him going low.

https://twitter.com/MikeReiss/status/788157960010825728

Would you just accept the dude is an undeniable sack of shit..

[Gryph]

WHO NEEDS A LOVE LIFE WHEN THE JETS FUCK ME EVERY WEEK?! AMIRYTE GUYS?!

...


/sigh

[Da Gyps]

https://twitter.com/MikeReiss/status/788157960010825728

Would you just accept the dude is an undeniable sack of shit..

He is actually worse than Suh, it's amazing.

[Hugh]

Fitzpatrick is bad. I know the Jets have other issues but he's leading the league in interceptions and has the worst rating among starters.
He put together a really good season last year with a healthy Marshall and Decker and a healthy dose of magic, but he turned back into a pumpkin in the playoffs and he's been on the struggle bus ever since. I'm not saying they'll make a change this season or even that it makes sense to, considering what they paid him and who's on the bench, but Fitz is completing only 55% of his passes and has 5 TDs and 11 INTs in 6 games.
He's killing his team.

[bludhoundz]

i think david johnson might be just as good as le'veon bell

[Burnout278]

He is actually worse than Suh, it's amazing.

Seriously.

[bludhoundz]

Dak Prescott turned down offers to meet for possible endorsements over the bye week so he could spend it with his sick aunt (or grandma I forget). He also turned down Kanye West tickets "to get more sleep"

This guy has the right idea of how to set yourself up to be a winner

[bdog1321]

I love reading about the kid's background. They had an autistic kid who was like an equipment manager when he was in high school and the kid was moving, after his last game Prescott had the team swarm the kid and carry him off the field on their shoulders

Good kid

Howie many times can I say kid in one post

I kid

[bdog1321]

Oh no! Ben Roethlisberger had to have surgery for his torn meniscus...he should retire. He kinda gets hurt a lot. I mean he's so old maybe he'll have trouble walking when he gets older. Anyways he's clearly injury prone and his backup is probably better anyways

[bludhoundz]

Took you all week to come up with that one didn't it

[Hugh]

You're a retard, bdog. Lol. I can't even read your posts anymore without picturing you in a Romo jersey, huddled in the corner, rocking back and forth with your eyes closed and covering your ears.

[The Butcher]

He's right, bdog. Smarten up.

[bdog1321]

...it was a joke

[The Butcher]

Sorry, we're just concerned for you.

[Hugh]

I don't believe him. I'm gonna need a full confession.

[Da Gyps]

This game is worse than a dog with fleas. My word.

[bludhoundz]

randall cobb is afraid of scoring touchdowns

[The Cheat]

Fuck the bears for fucking me over tonight.

Bring back Culter. At least he was fun to watch.

[Hugh]

The Bears are a fucking dumpster fire. The entire team is hurt.

[The Cheat]

The Bears are a fucking dumpster fire. The entire team is hurt.

All I need you to do Hoyer is play ONE game.

Couldn't even give me that.

[rainblade]

You're a retard, bdog. Lol. I can't even read your posts anymore without picturing you in a Romo jersey, huddled in the corner, rocking back and forth with your eyes closed and covering your ears.

lol i love this thread and you, hugh

[Da Gyps]

This Josh Brown trainwreck...

Dude needs to be out of the league. Now. One game suspension my ASS. Also if it is true that NFL and/or NYG people knew about stuff and didn't say anything, they should be fired.

[Da Gyps]

I mean god damn this makes me angry.

[bludhoundz]

Dumb thing about the NFL is that nobody gives a shit til people start paying attention. I could come up with a million examples. Concussions. The Ray Rice incident before the video. The list goes on.

Once I heard about his initial suspension I then found out he had a long history of this stuff. I wish we had cut him a while ago but once again with the nobody cares til people start paying attention bit...

[Da Gyps]

I completely agree with you and it's bullshit. The only reason Rice is out of the league is because he started sucking at football. If he were still very good, he would have resurfaced.

[Hugh]

Hadn't heard that about Josh Brown. Wow.

[The Cheat]

i saw people on Twitter post saying "Kaep sits and people burn his jersey. Josh Brown beat up a women and people are like eh."

Wonder what is the difference between the two?

[Hugh]

Well one is against the law.

[Da Gyps]

Pretty big difference. People that think Kaep should be punished can eat a bag.

[Hugh]

I think TC is being sarcastic. At least I hope he is.

[Serge]

i saw people on Twitter post saying "Kaep sits and people burn his jersey. Josh Brown beat up a women and people are like eh."

Wonder what is the difference between the two?

White privilege is a hell of a drug.

[Hulky]

I think it's more 100% of people think Josh Brown is a POS.