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[Da Gyps]

Penn State tears tho.

[Mantis]

Those are always great.

Only missed two games in the pickem this week. If only I didn't forget to make my picks last week... would still be in first or very close. FeelsBadMan

[Da Gyps]

I made some pretty dumb picks this week.

PSU fans are incinerating atm. They just can't fathom how they didn't get in when they "beat tOSU and it wasn't a fluke" and Clemson and UW "don't have any quality wins". Please disregard the fact that PSU lost 2 games.

[Hugh]

Wentz threw 60 passes today? Lol. Wtf?

[Hulky]

Hope Thomas recovers and doesn't retire. That Kam/Thomas/Sherman trio would be nice to see at least for a couple more years.

[The One]

1-11. Just shoot me now. I have absolutely zero motivation to watch this shit show.

[Hugh]

Hope Thomas recovers and doesn't retire. That Kam/Thomas/Sherman trio would be nice to see at least for a couple more years.

Earl is pretty weird. Overreacting to this seems like something he'd do. I can imagine he's really bummed out and depressed about breaking his leg.
He'll wrap his brain around it and be back.

[Sanosuke]

Like I said, he got hurt in the first game. Suh ran over his ankle when they played Miami and Russell could barely stand up. He wasn't thinking about playoffs or that the Cardinals would suck this year. He was thinking that at 50% he was still better than throwing an undrafted rookie QB out there in week 2.
Maybe you're right. Maybe he should have sat for a couple games. Point is you said he's performing about as well as Tyrod Taylor and that's true only because he played half the season injured. If you're suggesting Alex Smith or Tyrod Taylor are as good as Russell Wilson that's just stupid

Don't see the big deal with a rookie starting in week 2. For someone who preaches about Romo's health you'd figure you'd support him trying to stay healthy instead of making excuses for him.

Point is, the backup could play as well as Alex fucking Smith and Taylor. The seahawks are where they are at despite Wilson right now, not because of him.

[Hugh]

Sano, you do this thing where you quote and specifically reply to a post without actually replying to it. You do it a lot. This is a perfect example. You said Wilson's numbers are similar to Taylor's and Smith's this year. That's true.
The reason is because he played half the season injured. That's also true. It's not for a different reason. Wilson is a better QB than both of them. You know it. Everyone knows it.
I said maybe Wilson should have sat when he got injured. Part of me wanted him to, and part of me hoped he'd just play through it. But why did the conversation turn to that? Who cares what I wanted? Who cares if he did or didn't?
Point is, you made a statement about his performance droppping off this season and I explained why. That's all.

[bdog1321]

Wilson is in the tier below rivers/manning/Stafford probably

[Sanosuke]

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&hint=Russell+Wilson&player_id1_select=Russell+Wilson&player_id1=WilsRu00&hint=Ryan+Tannehill&player_id2_select=Ryan+Tannehill&player_id2=TannRy00&hint=Tyrod+Taylor&player_id3_select=Tyrod+Taylor&player_id3=TaylTy00&hint=Andy+Dalton&player_id4_select=Andy+Dalton&player_id4=DaltAn00&hint=Matthew+Stafford&player_id5_select=Matthew+Stafford&player_id5=StafMa00&hint=Robert+Griffin&player_id6_select=Robert+Griffin&player_id6=GrifRo01

EDIT: "But Sano, look at how many interceptions Russell Wilson doesn't throw!" - If only everyone else had Marshawn Lynch(or similar) as their running back to start their career.

[bludhoundz]

Man, our offensive line is so terrible. They were called for holding like 4-5 times, and honestly they were holding on like every play. Marshall Newhouse is a backup. Ereck Flowers is struggling, and the other guys haven't been great or anything. Eli played badly, but it's to be expected somewhat when he feels the pressure so much.

I think our defense played well. We lost 3/4 of our defensive line starters, which is a big part of why Le'Veon was able to put up so many yards (a bunch came on their final, clock killing drive as well). But we held them to only 2 offensive TDs (21 points was a safety, 2 FGs and 2 TDs, they failed to convert on a 2-pt). The safety was terrible for the gamescript, it was a hold in the endzone very early in the game. The hold was like a 4 or 5/10 in terms of severity, and then later in the game their tackle also held in the endzone, it was more like a 7/10 and didn't get called.

Hate to be that guy but it really did feel like the refs were not on our side. They got away with several holds on offense, usually against Vernon who their left tackle clearly couldn't block very well - he had 2 sacks despite all the holds. They also failed to call DPI a few times when it was pretty obvious in my opinion. In fairness our defense got away with a few things but this didn't feel like an evenly called game to me.

[Sanosuke]

How do Bengals fans cope knowing they have the second coming of Palmer as their QB already? Regular season stud but abysmal in playoffs.

[Maverik]

Blake Bortles has more pick-6s than victories

how fucking funny is that

[Hugh]

Bortles is the world's oldest looking 24 year old.

[The Professor]

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&hint=Russell+Wilson&player_id1_select=Russell+Wilson&player_id1=WilsRu00&hint=Ryan+Tannehill&player_id2_select=Ryan+Tannehill&player_id2=TannRy00&hint=Tyrod+Taylor&player_id3_select=Tyrod+Taylor&player_id3=TaylTy00&hint=Andy+Dalton&player_id4_select=Andy+Dalton&player_id4=DaltAn00&hint=Matthew+Stafford&player_id5_select=Matthew+Stafford&player_id5=StafMa00&hint=Robert+Griffin&player_id6_select=Robert+Griffin&player_id6=GrifRo01

EDIT: "But Sano, look at how many interceptions Russell Wilson doesn't throw!" - If only everyone else had Marshawn Lynch(or similar) as their running back to start their career.

I wonder due to the Seahawks defense, how many extra possessions have been gained for Russell and the offense, as well as starting field position.

I think Russell is pretty decent, especially with his ability to escape tackles and throw on the run, but when I've seen him play he sucks at throwing from the pocket consistently. He's not a top tier quarterback, and people who think he is are delusional.

[KBHoleN1]

He scrambles well to pick up yards, and scrambles extremely well to make throws. He's probably the best in the NFL at throwing on the run and turning broken plays into big gains. And his receivers know he does this and don't give up on routes, so they are ready to complete those downfield throws. All that said, him being injured early in the year not only hurt his scrambling ability, but a big chunk of his passing game that comes outside the pocket. He's still young, and I think he'll improve as a pocket passer as he ages.

[Mantis]

How do Bengals fans cope knowing they have the second coming of Palmer as their QB already? Regular season stud but abysmal in playoffs.

I can't speak for all Bengals fans, but I won't be able to cope with much of anything until we fire Marvin Lewis. He just doesn't get the best from his players. He's a pussy and everyone knows it.

As far as Dalton being a stud in the regular season, last year I would agree with you, but this year aside from yesterday's game he's just been average. A lot of that has been our paper-thin O-line getting abused most weeks though.

[The Cheat]

Bortles is the world's oldest looking 24 year old.

He is? Good God.

[Hugh]

The Jets are pure butt.

[The Cheat]

The Jets are pure butt.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82RIfy-gRa4

[Mantis]

Highest number of correct picks in a week for the pickem. *flex*

[bludhoundz]

Worried about this game. The best matchup our D line had against the Cowboys O Line was JPP vs Doug Free. Now we have backups rotating in that slot.

[bdog1321]

Worried about this game. The best matchup our D line had against the Cowboys O Line was JPP vs Doug Free. Now we have backups rotating in that slot.

Shoulda been worried before that :P

[bludhoundz]

I was. But now I'm more worried.

[Da Gyps]

You ready Hulky?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD3VsesSBsw

[Sanosuke]

Alex smith looks fucking locked in.

[Hugh]

Yeah he does. What a great pass.

[Sanosuke]

Like, I know I'm the first one to shit on Alex Smith but Andy Reid has found a way to not make him bad. He's looking very good right now and the KC secondary is eviscerating OAK's WRs

[Hugh]

Dude, I can't believe how fast Hill is. Can't.

[Sanosuke]

Isn't he the guy in trouble for domestic abuse? Haven't been able to keep up because of being in asia and shit.

[Hugh]

I don't know. I haven't heard anything about it.

[bludhoundz]

he got in trouble for it a while ago. that's why he dropped in the draft

[Sanosuke]

That pinky injury is killing Carr's accuracy. Overthrown a bunch of easy TDs. If the raiders dont score in the 2min warning then they lose.

[Da Gyps]

Alex smith looks fucking locked in.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54DtVXjk2jY

[Da Gyps]

he got in trouble for it a while ago. that's why he dropped in the draft

Chiefs are fuckin OG at this. Houston, Peters, Hill. They can ball and aren't currently causing/in trouble, so I have no problem with it.

[Hulky]

>:C

[Da Gyps]

If it makes you feel better that last drive has made me extremely nervous about the rest of the game Hulky.

[Hulky]

I'm cool if Tyreek wants to sit the rest of the game out.

2 TDs is enough take a break.

[Hulky]

TJ Carrie 4 high fives

[bludhoundz]

nevermind didnt see the beginning of that play

[bludhoundz]

http://dailysnark.com/tyreekhillnsfw/

"nigga im black you fat with big saggy titties"

who the fuck thinks this is a good idea to post on twitter lmao

[Hulky]

http://dailysnark.com/tyreekhillnsfw/

"nigga im black you fat with big saggy titties"

who the fuck thinks this is a good idea to post on twitter lmao

made me smile right as the Raiders lost thanks for breaking the bad mood lol
grats on 1st Gypsy

[Da Gyps]

Yeah, he should have deleted those lol.

[KBHoleN1]

I picked the Browns and the Titans today. Living on the edge.

[Da Gyps]

Go Titans go.

[Hugh]

I picked the Browns and the Titans today. Living on the edge.

Good pick on the Titans. They're a .500 team with a good QB, and Denver is the 3rd best team in their division. That's not crazy.
The Browns pick is crazy.

[KBHoleN1]

Hey, it's a hundred floors of fright. They can't all be winners.

[Hugh]

Jesus, Wilson is having a rough game.
Inb4 Sano says I told you so.
Fuck you, Sano.
:)

[bdog1321]

rip seahawks 2nd seed hopes

[bdog1321]

falcons have 42 points and less than 300 yards of offense

[KBHoleN1]

The Green Bay defense had 8 interceptions coming into this game. Wilson has thrown 4 in less than 3 quarters.

[The Professor]

Seahawks can kiss any SuperBowl aspirations good bye if they don't get Homefield Advantage. This team is just night and day on the road. I know they won at New England, but that is looking more like an aberration especially when history shows they are slightly above average on the road.

[bdog1321]

but december is their month

[The Butcher]

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn199/phillyfan4life05/IMG_20161211_162219_zpsuv6yidrr.jpg (http://s304.photobucket.com/user/phillyfan4life05/media/IMG_20161211_162219_zpsuv6yidrr.jpg.html)

[Hugh]

I'm worried about Butch.

[Hugh]

Seahawks are on the struggle bus. Wilson's finally healthy and the o line has a good game... and he completely shits the bed. Worst game of his career. This is the first time Seattle has been blown out since he became QB.

[The Cheat]

rip seahawks 2nd seed hopes

Nope. Look who they play left with 2 home games. Sucks but they will be fine. Damn.

Seahawks are on the struggle bus. Wilson's finally healthy and the o line has a good game... and he completely shits the bed. Worst game of his career. This is the first time Seattle has been blown out since he became QB.

It was the worst Seattle loss EVER since he became QB

So good.

[bdog1321]

Oof how did they miss the facemask on elliott

[KBHoleN1]

I did not approve of going for that 4th down. Way too early and on your side of the field? Garrett is insane.

[KBHoleN1]

Instant karma. Beckham pushes off to convert a 4th down, Eli fumbles the next play.

[bdog1321]

i agree with the defensive coordinator of one of the teams we rolled a while back who declared prescott was not a rookie anymore

[Maverik]

I did not approve of going for that 4th down. Way too early and on your side of the field? Garrett is insane.

http://offtherecordsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/JasonGarrett.jpg

[rainblade]

Tom Brady for MVP.

[bdog1321]

Receiver falls down, db makes easy int

"What a great play!"

[KBHoleN1]

No timeout after 2nd down? Really Garrett? But you'll go on 4th down in the 1st quarter?

[KBHoleN1]

Elliott is running for 5.6 per carry. Get the ball on your own goal line, call a short pass and a WB keeper, then you bring Elliott out because you're stuck in 3rd and long. I don't understand it.

[bdog1321]

we are getting our asses handed to us

[Da Gyps]

Romo would have scored 50.

[KBHoleN1]

In the first half the Giants were hanging back in coverage and Elliott could run the ball. Now there's just filling gaps and daring Dak to go deep, but he keeps trying to find Dez, who is never open. Dak is going to need to make a play with his feet or something to loosen up the second level or this is over.

[KBHoleN1]

Romo would have scored 50.

Romo has a 2-1 TD to INT ratio and a passer rating over 100 against the Giants in his career.

[KBHoleN1]

WHY ARE WE RUNNING THE FUCKING PLAY CLOCK DOWN ON THE PUNT???

We might want to save some of that time ffs.

[KBHoleN1]

Eli is so fucking lucky. That's twice this game he threw the ball to a Cowboy and they dropped it.

[bdog1321]

third time

also lol

[KBHoleN1]

Dez has absolutely sucked tonight.

[bdog1321]

we were dominated in all facets

[KBHoleN1]

No we weren't. Dead even in total yardage, almost even in time of possession, Zeke ran for 4.5 yards per carry and went over 100. Only down by 3. This game was pretty even because the defense did their job and kept it close.

[Lex]

Erick flowers doesn't belong in the NFL, I don't understand how Eli is still alive after 2 years of this guy.

[KBHoleN1]

Good game by the Giants D. Dez was a no-show and Dak looked overwhelmed all night. Have to remind ourselves he's still a rookie.

[bdog1321]

Congrats bludz. That was a fantastic game by your defense. I think you could beat us three times this year if it comes to that.

[bludhoundz]

This was the type of game the Giants have been winning all year long. Tightly contested, and a defensive struggle. Our D stepped up huge and Dak looked frazzled back there. Vernon played great against Tyron Smith and our DBs held it down

Dallas coaching staff didn't seem to make enough adjustments after the half, if we end up playing a third time I expect to see more Elliott. He's the engine for that offense and one of the best backs in football already. I don't really understand all this Lance Dunbar on third down stuff to be honest. All in all GG and I hope we see this game one more time in the postseason

[bdog1321]

I think smith handled Vernon very well

[bdog1321]

No we weren't. Dead even in total yardage, almost even in time of possession, Zeke ran for 4.5 yards per carry and went over 100. Only down by 3. This game was pretty even because the defense did their job and kept it close.

I don't know what game you were watching. This wasn't close.

[Hugh]

Dont know what game you were watching. You lost by 3 points.
Seahawks lost by 28. That wasn't close.

[bdog1321]

i can't remember the last time i saw a team waste multiple gift turnovers like last night. or drop three sure-thing picks, two by barry church who secured the ball then inexplicably dropped it when he went to the ground. still trying to wrap my head around last night's game, but i have calmed down enough to realize that we are still the better team when we execute and it isn't close

[Hulky]

Kinda weird Cowboys and Raiders both lost twice to a division rival that is also playoff bound.

[bdog1321]

Yeah. Time for romo tho

[rainblade]

Patriots looking scary right now.

[rainblade]

Got the Brady, forgot the Blount.

[Sanosuke]

NE is shitting all over BAL right now.

[bdog1321]

Patriots looking scary right now.

You beat the Ravens by a touchdown at home

[bludhoundz]

everyone calling the ravens defense "the number one defense" must feel pretty stupid for following media bullshit. they aren't even a top 5 defense in this league and it showed today. pats are capable of making a lot of defenses look bad but if you give up 30 points you can't be the king

[The Professor]

everyone calling the ravens defense "the number one defense" must feel pretty stupid for following media bullshit. they aren't even a top 5 defense in this league and it showed today. pats are capable of making a lot of defenses look bad but if you give up 30 points you can't be the king

Pats/Ravens shouldn't be held to the usual standard. They have very weird games and I don't trust the stats when it comes to them. Maybe the Ravens don't have the best defense but it's still dam good considering how shitty the offense usually is.

[Spencer 555]

Fuck rex ryan so hard.

[bludhoundz]

Pats/Ravens shouldn't be held to the usual standard. They have very weird games and I don't trust the stats when it comes to them. Maybe the Ravens don't have the best defense but it's still dam good considering how shitty the offense usually is.

I agree with the first statement but I don't really see how that changes what I said. They may hold the #1 ranking and they are good, but media sensationalism hypes the matchup into something it isn't. Ravens v Pats is enough they don't need to add that extra tidbit that isn't even true, it's just dumb. Their schedule has had very lowly opponents in terms of offense and that inflates the numbers.

[Hugh]

Still think the Seahawks will win out against our shitty division and take the 2 seed. Detroit's final 3 games are brutal. They'll be lucky to win 1.

[The Cheat]

Someone make a case as to why the Pats WONT win the AFC. Can't be done.

I know that Hugh's team is going to fuck everything up and beat Dallas in the playoffs pissing off everyone then losing to..idk...the Giants?

[KBHoleN1]

Unless something catastrophic happened, Cowboys and Seahawks wouldn't meet until the NFC championship game, right?

[The Cheat]

Unless something catastrophic happened, Cowboys and Seahawks wouldn't meet until the NFC championship game, right?

depends on seeding.

[rainblade]

You beat the Ravens by a touchdown at home

I posted that before the Ravens scored their first two touchdowns in rapid succession. Patriots looked scary until that happened.

[The Professor]

Someone make a case as to why the Pats WONT win the AFC. Can't be done.

I know that Hugh's team is going to fuck everything up and beat Dallas in the playoffs pissing off everyone then losing to..idk...the Giants?

I actually think the Giants match up terribly versus the Seahawks, especially in Seattle. It would probably have been a beat down of epic proportions if Thomas was healthy, but Seattle would win comfortably AT HOME against a team with absolutely no run game. I don't even think SuperBowl Run Eli would be enough much less this current version.

[The Cheat]

Well no fucking shit. If Seattle is at home, game over. Still not sure why they are so god-like there. I mean teams play better at home sure, but it isn't even funny when they are at home.

If it comes down to Seattle vs Pats again, I am not watching SB. Not this time. Fuck both of those teams.

if Pats don't win AFC this year, it is one of the biggest upsets in recent memory.

[Hulky]

Raiders and KC have about as good a shot in the AFC as the Pats I think. Like Pats are obvious favorites, but I don't think we are too far behind. If it's cold and in NE I don't think the Raiders have more than a 20% shot, but I think KC could take them down.

[bludhoundz]

I actually think the Giants match up terribly versus the Seahawks, especially in Seattle. It would probably have been a beat down of epic proportions if Thomas was healthy, but Seattle would win comfortably AT HOME against a team with absolutely no run game. I don't even think SuperBowl Run Eli would be enough much less this current version.

Yeah Seattle in Seattle is the worst possible matchup for the Giants. Their pass rush is too good and our offense is far too shitty.

[Sanosuke]

Idk if you guys noticed but the Seahawks aren't really that scary right now. Hugh will prolly just think I'm shitting on his team for the lulz but I'm not.

They have four games where they've won by more than one score. Three of those games were at home and the away game was against the Jets. Blowing out the Panthers and 49ers is the ONLY reason why they have a positive point differential. If you take out those two wins their PD is -8.

We can say the Seahawks have underperformed because of X, Y, Z, and that's fair and understandable. That just means they're going to continue to underperform BECAUSE of those reasons.

[Hugh]

I get it. You're right, Sano. Seattle insists on being a run first offense, even though they found their offensive line at a garage sale and invested ridiculous millions in Jimmy Graham ( who they literally refuse to throw to in the red zone) and Jermaine Kearse ( who just isn't good ).
The fact that our left tackle didn't play college fucking football and our right tackle is an undrafted converted TE is exactly why Wilson was almost out for the season in the first game. I hope they learn from that next season.
But for now, for this year, you're right. No argument.
However, these are still the Seattle Seahawks. Our last 3 games are at home against the Rams and Cardinals, where we rarely lose and against terrible teams, and in San Fran. No need to comment there.
We should win out. We should get a first round bye and a home game at least. By that time Seattle should be cruising. They're an experienced playoff team. I'm just saying I like our chances, despite all the other stuff that I don't disagree with.

[rainblade]

Judging from that game Seattle played against the Patriots and Seattle's consistency, they seem like the scariest team to play right now. Their mental focus was pretty insane to shutdown Brady like they did. I don't even think Brady had a bad night that night, either. I think he simply got shutdown as much as Brady gets shutdown when he's playing better than his average.

I think that defensive backfield really fucks with Brady's head lol.

[Hugh]

Seahawks defense is always capable of shutting down anyone. There are half a dozen pro bowl players on that defense.
But they need help, and the offense hasn't given them much this year. Now with Earl Thomas out they're going to need even more. Russell needs to play MUCH better than he has been.
But I'm confident he will. He's Russell Wilson.

[Sanosuke]

I get it. You're right, Sano. Seattle insists on being a run first offense, even though they found their offensive line at a garage sale and invested ridiculous millions in Jimmy Graham ( who they literally refuse to throw to in the red zone) and Jermaine Kearse ( who just isn't good ).
The fact that our left tackle didn't play college fucking football and our right tackle is an undrafted converted TE is exactly why Wilson was almost out for the season in the first game. I hope they learn from that next season.
But for now, for this year, you're right. No argument.
However, these are still the Seattle Seahawks. Our last 3 games are at home against the Rams and Cardinals, where we rarely lose and against terrible teams, and in San Fran. No need to comment there.
We should win out. We should get a first round bye and a home game at least. By that time Seattle should be cruising. They're an experienced playoff team. I'm just saying I like our chances, despite all the other stuff that I don't disagree with.

The Seahawks just need to find their passrush again. The Packers OLine isn't as good as they looked against yall. Russell Wilson has fallen off the face of the earth too. His first 10 games he was lights out but these past would be concerning for me as a fan. Losing Earl Thomas is going to embolden QBs in the playoffs even more which will make or break Seattle if they can take advantage of QBs wanting to attack more. The rams yall barely beat the first time but idk if that was the week Wilson got hurt and that cardinals tie is ugly. Would not count out the cardinals and the 49ers are a bye this year. I hope yall do well because i like the seahawks outside of pete carroll. It's just uncharacteristic of these seahawks to play poorly in the later half of the season where they typically thrive.

[rainblade]

Seahawks defense is always capable of shutting down anyone. There are half a dozen pro bowl players on that defense.
But they need help, and the offense hasn't given them much this year. Now with Earl Thomas out they're going to need even more. Russell needs to play MUCH better than he has been.
But I'm confident he will. He's Russell Wilson.

I think Sherman intimidates/motivates Brady most.

I wish Seattle had a better offense to go with their defense. The defense is really young so they could do some historic shit if they beefed up the other side of the ball. I like Sherman a lot, think he's a smart dude. Russell is a gifted athlete, no doubt, but he lags behind in mental maturity. He childlike at times with all his religious bullshit. (Tim Tebow, anyone?)

[rainblade]

The way I see it: Tom Brady is so compelling because he's a moderately talented man of a large stature, but most of all he is a focused, ceaselessly driven individual. He is the consummate professional (a lawyer, for example) playing a game that is preoccupied (perhaps less and less) by people who are essentially teens or even younger children in terms of their mental development. Tom Brady carries a briefcase to work while most others carry a football. (Of course, Tom has footballs at the arena, so why would he need to carry one there?)

I could be way off-base, but I tend to find the most successful athletes are the ones who take the game the most seriously, like Tom and Bill do with their jobs. There is no room for bullshit, no room for rogue 'mistakes,' no room for celebrity in the locker room or around coaches or in front of the press. Some light banter between coaches and staff is allowed, but you have to earn it on the field.

I listen to WEEI so much more than I should. I used to commute to and from Durham every day, and I often drive long distances to get to where I need to go since I'm on the edge of the middle of nowhere. I love football and the Patriots culture. I love the rivalries Brady adopts as his own. I'm not a fanboy or anything, just sort of absorbed by it since I've grown up here my entire life. I'm always pessimistic when it comes to big games. I figured they would lose against Seattle and they probably will again if they play them in the Super Bowl. They should have lost the last one, anyways. :P

[Hugh]

That's cool. Lots of people hate Sherman. I think he's been huge for the game and lots of players. Tons of players owe a lot to him, and some of them probably don't even know it.

[Sanosuke]

Sherman is super intelligent and is a top 5 CB, top 10 DB active in the nfl

[rainblade]

That's cool. Lots of people hate Sherman. I think he's been huge for the game and lots of players. Tons of players owe a lot to him, and some of them probably don't even know it.

He is the QB-equivalent of that defense. He is like me when I play video games: he barks commands and orders to teammates and is focused to the point that it probably sometimes annoys his teammates all the things he tells them to do. That is a rare thing, to be able to focus on the game you yourself need to play, and to simultaneously focus on other things in the game that others needs to do. An example would be a basketball player who knows to shoot the ball instinctively upon reception of a pass, and so they call for the pass, except in football it's a lot more complex and difficult to keep track of all the things your teammates need to do since there are so many moving parts on the field. I think Sherman is an exceptionally gifted athlete, and a lot of his teammates are either inspired or motivated by him and presumably many of the things he does in practice/games.

[Maverik]

pretty sure bludz has mentioned it before, but I think Chancellor and Thomas are both more important to SEA than Sherman is (I should probably phrase this past tense since I haven't watched any SEA games this year)

Sherman is just the loudest

there are a ton of strong pieces on that D, so its hard to say how one would play without their complements since obviously their job is to play as a unit

[Hugh]

You might be right. We haven't seen the legion of boom without Earl Thomas until recently, and what we saw wasn't good. Also not a fan of how we look without Kam. Completely different.
But if I had to pick one player on defense to keep, all things considered, it would be Sherman. He's irreplaceable. I think he's the most important player to what Seattle does. His play, his attitude, his voice, his personality. Everything.

[Maverik]

that's fair, and I would probably pick likewise if I was starting a new team

from my understanding, both Chancellor and Thomas are more reserved players, despite their huge skill-cap, and you always need that voice in the locker room

[rainblade]

You say "is just the loudest," but I think communication is a critically important part of effective teamwork. Being the loudest might be a huge asset to any team. That's like saying, "He just encourages productivity and alertness the most."

[Maverik]

you don't have to be loud to be an effective communicator

[The Professor]

Still think Earl Thomas is their most important player. No offense to Sherman who is great, but Green Bay torched Shead all game because they knew they could attack without worrying about help or they could go through the middle. As fearsome as Kam is with hits, Thomas can hit just as good and his ability to fly all over the field is beyond impressive.

[Hulky]

I think DBs its all about communication and knowing what your team mate is going to do. When Seattle has Thomas Kam and Sherman together that's peak. They suffer with any piece removed. I think it's also why the other CB opposite Sherman is usually a guy groomed a bit in there system not a FA pick up (like Cary Williams experiment).

[bludhoundz]

I agree that Earl is the most important. He is the best free safety in the league and no other player in the NFL can play the position the way he does. It's almost like the Darrelle Revis effect where the coach would put him on an island, it changes how you can gameplan your defense. Thomas allows Seattle to play single high safety and not be afraid of getting destroyed deep. Part of it of course is knowing you have Sherman on one side so Thomas can cheat a bit, but I think he opens up the scheme to more possibilities and that's what makes the ultimate difference beyond the voice or veteran leadership, which I think all 3 guys mentioned bring to the table. Also I won't ever say that Sherman doesn't allow this to an extent as well, but I think with Thomas it's more pronounced

Last thing is that it's really hard to gauge a players value to a team when they're not the only big time guy. We have seen Seattle without Kam. We are about to see them without Earl. we have yet to see them without Sherm

[bludhoundz]

Man, Pete Carroll is trying to turn into Andy Reid out there. He's an excellent coach but the game management last night was pretty astounding. I'm not sure how you can throw 3 challenge flags before halftime and they were all on ball spots. You can't do that against good teams, fortunately for them the Rams suck ass.

And then you have the goal line scenario that happened. They gave the ball to Rawls, he ran them down to the 2, and they never gave him the rock again. Most startling is that they dialed up a pass play on third down after their first down play was almost picked off. It's like he forgot about the Superbowl, jesus christ

[Da Gyps]

https://twitter.com/Seahawks/status/809600539067432960

Omg.

[Hulky]

https://twitter.com/Seahawks/status/809600539067432960

Omg.

The fact the abilities do nothing, but it's a 12/12 blue 2 drop... instant $1,000+ card

edit: legendary -> $5 normal run of the mill card

[The Cheat]

https://twitter.com/seahawks/status/809600539067432960

omg.


the fact the abilities do nothing, but it's a 12/12 blue 2 drop... Instant $1,000+ card

edit: Legendary -> $5 normal run of the mill card

nerddddddddddddddddddddddddssssssssssssssssss

[Mantis]

Damnit I knew I should have picked the Bengals. We only win when I want us to lose. We will win out, miss playoffs and still get a shitty draft pick.

[bdog1321]

is there a team that receives turnovers at critical junctions more frequently than the giants?

[bdog1321]

giants fumble, get touchdown

R I D I C U L O U S

thank god that's coming back, that's just too painful to see

[rainblade]

is there a team that receives turnovers at critical junctions more frequently than the giants?

serious question? lol

[Hugh]

is there a team that receives turnovers at critical junctions more frequently than the giants?

I don't know. I do know the Giants are -5 in turnovers this year, 24th in the league.
So probably.

[bdog1321]

SAVAGE q

[rainblade]

Got the Brady, forgot the Blount!

http://www.patriots.com/sites/patriots.com/files/styles/borealis_no_limit_respondmedium/public/embedded-photos/20151205-legarrette-603.jpg?itok=F7lzZ3bR&timestamp=1449174179

:D

[rainblade]

Just heard a scream of "motherfuckers!" come through my TV. Gotta love the NFL. Anyone else hear it while watching the Patriots game?

[The Cheat]

Just heard a scream of "motherfuckers!" come through my TV. Gotta love the NFL. Anyone else hear it while watching the Patriots game?

That was me yelling at the Pats for not letting Blount get more touches and scores.

[rainblade]

That was me yelling at the Pats for not letting Blount get more touches and scores.

Thank God for defense.

[bdog1321]

Just heard a scream of "motherfuckers!" come through my TV. Gotta love the NFL. Anyone else hear it while watching the Patriots game?

Yeah they can't really censor the background. You'll hear a lot of "asshole" chants too if you listen for them

[rainblade]

Yeah they can't really censor the background. You'll hear a lot of "asshole" chants too if you listen for them

I don't watch intently enough every game to hear much, but sometimes I'll catch a random dildo fly onto the field before the camera moves away. lolol

[KBHoleN1]

That's the dumbest type of penalty. Carr is step for step down the sideline and just before he ball arrives he panics and grabs him. Make him catch the ball and try to knock it away, at least you push him out of bounds. There's no chance you get away with a grab like that, so you're just giving up easy yards instead of forcing them to earn it.

[Da Gyps]

penis

[Hugh]

No Fun League.
The penalize him for jumping in the Salvation Army pot. Refs are such pussies.
I'll keep saying it. Fuck you, Goodell.

[Hugh]

Dak was money in the 1st half, but Winston has been incredible this quarter. He's really slinging it.

[bdog1321]

Every time he throws it's deep. Every time he throws it's caught.

[Hugh]

Tyron Smith folded him in half. Lol. What a creature. Ruined a hell of a read by Dak.

[bdog1321]

Cowboys had a big play called back by a penalty? No way!!!!

[Hugh]

Cowboys D really stepped up in the 4th quarter. David Irving was fucking something up every play that last drive.

[Hugh]

Zeke Elliott looks like a caveman in a Pixar movie. Like they found him in a block of ice. His head looks twice as big as it should be.

[Hugh]

Not one comment about the Cowboys clinching the #1 seed? Bdog? KB? Ok.
Well congratulations.

[Hulky]

Cowboys don't matter at all. Raiders made the playoffs.

[Hugh]

Congratulations to you, too, Hulky. Been a long time.

[KBHoleN1]

Because of the head to head losses, Cowboys still need one more win or a Giants loss to clinch the division, much less a bye. They could actually finish 12-4, tied with NY for best record in the conference, and still have to play on the road on wildcard weekend because the Giants would win the division. Unlikely, but possible.

[bludhoundz]

Ninjad by KB.

[Hugh]

Oh shit. My bad. I thought the Giants were 9-5 for some reason.

[bludhoundz]

Stay sleepin on em

[Greendaybum5]

Going to Eagles v Giants on Thursday night....bludz gonna be so mad when Eagles win Lane Johnson's return. People forget Eagles are 3-1 with him and 2-8 without him :)

[bdog1321]

Yeah...that's the reason they're 5-9

[bludhoundz]

People just forget that the Eagles were 3-1, let alone that second part

[KBHoleN1]

That's one of the most BS penalties I've ever seen. Cousins has both feet in bounds when contact starts. But shoving him out of bounds is a personal foul because he falls awkwardly. Don't want contact? Go out on your own instead of trying for those extra yards. But when Cam got hit in the head after his slide, the refs threw he flag on him! Double standard bullshit. Cousins is a runner, treat him like a fucking runner.

[bdog1321]

Sherman is such an idiot. Explain this one away, Seahawks fans

[rainblade]

Sherman is such an idiot. Explain this one away, Seahawks fans

Someone is still butthurt Romo is done.
trolol

[Hulky]

Did Romo retire or something?

[Hugh]

Sherman is such an idiot. Explain this one away, Seahawks fans

I can. Jim Moore is the worst reporter in Seattle. The dipshit does a local sports radio show every day and I literally can't believe they pay him to do it. He's a fucking ignorant, irritating hack.
He pissed Sherman off on purpose by asking him if he could call plays better than the offensive coordinator, and Sherman went off on him. Good. He had it coming. I yell at Jim Moore every time I hear him on the radio. He sucks.
But you calling Richard Sherman an idiot is pretty funny. You, a Cowboys fan who can barely muster any excitement for a 1st place team simply because your dream lover isn't their QB anymore.

[The Cheat]

This could be the best jerry Jones thing ever done. I lol'd so fucking much.

http://www.dallascowboys.com/video/2016/12/20/sting-dallas-cowboys-intimidation-coach

[bdog1321]

I can. Jim Moore is the worst reporter in Seattle. The dipshit does a local sports radio show every day and I literally can't believe they pay him to do it. He's a fucking ignorant, irritating hack.
He pissed Sherman off on purpose by asking him if he could call plays better than the offensive coordinator, and Sherman went off on him. Good. He had it coming. I yell at Jim Moore every time I hear him on the radio. He sucks.
But you calling Richard Sherman an idiot is pretty funny. You, a Cowboys fan who can barely muster any excitement for a 1st place team simply because your dream lover isn't their QB anymore.

I don't see any real explanation here as to why a grown man felt the need to threaten to ruin someone else's career. He was mean to him? So what. Sherman is a 28 year old man who is paid millions to play football, and part of that is talking to asshole reporters. Taking potshots at me is wholly irrelevant and does not excuse your manbaby.

But since we're talking about romo, he would never dream of reacting that way to an asshole reporter asking stupid, pointed questions. Moore may be an idiot, but so is Sherman here.

[bdog1321]

Did Romo retire or something?

Cliche being cliche

[Hugh]

There's a lot you don't see, bdog.

[bdog1321]

Nothing goes over my head. My reflexes are too fast. I would catch it first.

[Hugh]

I am Groot. I mean Great.

[Spencer 555]

Why does the media always complain when players actually react to questions and create news for them and then complain when players are robots who always answer with cliche's.

Fans are the same way. They like good ol boys who never say anything contraversial. They complain about bat flips and TD dances and then turn around and say football and baseball aren't what they used to be. People just complain about everything these days and can never be appreciate anything, it amazes me.

Damn idiots.

[Hugh]

You're starting to sound like me, Spencer. I like it.

[Spencer 555]

You're starting to sound like me, Spencer. I like it.

Fuck

[The Cheat]

You listen to what anyone on Seattle says?

Strange.

[bludhoundz]

philly's right i'll be pretty mad if the giants lose this one

there was a block in the back on that wentz 9 yard run, refs need to call that one

edit:
...well there was no penalty to be called on that play

[bludhoundz]

well yep

obviously disappointed with the outcome. Eagles played us hard gotta give em credit. Still thought that it was PI on 4th and 6 but we shouldn't have been in those positions to begin with

[Greendaybum5]

just got home. both teams were trying to give that game away. still a lot of fun. OBJ is amazing. don't know why they don't target him more.

[Hugh]

just got home. both teams were trying to give that game away. still a lot of fun. OBJ is amazing. don't know why they don't target him more.

Target him more? He had 11 catches for 150 yards tonight. He has 96 catches for 1323 yards on the season, which leads all receivers.
More than what?

[The Professor]

Target him more? He had 11 catches for 150 yards tonight. He has 96 catches for 1323 yards on the season, which leads all receivers.
More than what?

Still not enough.

[The Professor]

For the championship:

Do I keep going with Zeke even though the Cowboys have locked up home field advantage?

OR........

Do I start Rawls instead? Not as good obviously, but Seattle will be playing hard and more importantly, AT HOME.

Don't fail me TAO

[KBHoleN1]

I think the Dallas game plan this week was to beat the Lions (because the Giants would probably beat the Eagles and still be in the running for the division). That has changed, but I don't think it will drastically alter the game plan to beat the Lions and play to win. Especially with Zeke chasing the rookie record, I think he gets a healthy number of carries and we might see receivers or Dak get rest before we see Elliott pulled from the field. Elliott is so far ahead of Rawls, I don't think he possibility of fewer carries can really outweigh that. Stick with Zeke.

[KBHoleN1]

Also, Zeke is more of a receiving threat on screen passes behind that O-line. I think if the game plan tilts towards getting key players rest and preventing injury, we're more likely to see fewer drop backs from Dak, which benefits Zeke both running and catching.

[bludhoundz]

it's not week 17

don't sit zeke

[Hugh]

Rawls will have 100 yards and 2 TDs tomorrow.

[Hugh]

I don't know what conditions the Patriots gave to Michael Floyd, if any, but he shouldn't even be in football right now. The man has a very serious problem and I have no fucking clue why any team would bring him on until after he enters a rehab program and gets sober, and that doesn't mean not drinking for 3 weeks. He was passed out at the fucking wheel. He had an empty bottle of liquor in his lap. He blew a .217, which is black out drunk.
He's been in trouble for alcohol related stuff in the past, but I'm not even talking about that. He's a 27 year old, established NFL vet now, and to be found in that condition, driving a car, and then blow it off as a "mistake" is a massive red flag. I just heard on tv that he told his teammates he only had a glass of wine or 2. I mean what about the empty 5th of Pendleton in your lap? What about blowing 3X the legal limit? The dude is in denial.
And the Patriots activated him for today's game? Whatever.

[Hulky]

Commish is playing favorites to the Pats against the Raiders keeping Aldon suspended and letting the Pat's upgrade their weapons after losing Gronk.

NFL is scared of an Oakland win.

[Hugh]

So the Browns are leading the Chargers 20-10. Wow.
Stay classy, San Diego.

[Hugh]

Commish is playing favorites to the Pats against the Raiders keeping Aldon suspended and letting the Pat's upgrade their weapons after losing Gronk.

NFL is scared of an Oakland win.

The commish went after Brady with a raging boner over deflate gate. What that turned into was ridiculous, all things considered. The commish should suspend Floyd and maybe he will, but this is about the Pats not giving a fuck. Belichick even said he didn't know the severity or seriousness of the situation with Floyd. Lol.
What he meant is he doesn't give a fuck.

[Hugh]

Vikings still have Bradford on the field? Jesus. I love the NFL but every week I see shit that is just retarded. Bradford might be the QB going forward. They have no idea if Bridgewater will even play again. This game is over. Why have him out there? Play the backup for fuck's sake.
Bradford can play next week when they might have a chance to end the season with a win. There's value in that. The season is over but ending on a positive note is something worth playing for. They can build on it.
Bradford playing now is worthless. He's simply risking injury for no reason.
Retarded.

[Hugh]

Cleveland Browns win. Jesus. They were so close. I was so close to predicting a winless season.
Fuck.

[Hugh]

Tyler Lockett just shattered his leg. I'm sick.

[Maverik]

Mariota :/

[Da Gyps]

Tyler Lockett just shattered his leg. I'm sick.

All of my sadness.

Also rip Carr. That really sucks for the Raiders.

[Hugh]

Sorry, Hulky. So fucked.
Seahawks are fucked, too. They were set up to get the 2 seed and fucked it all away on a home game against a shitty team playing for nothing. Fucking retarded. I'm so pissed off right now.

[bdog1321]

Sorry, Hulky. So fucked.
Seahawks are fucked, too. They were set up to get the 2 seed and fucked it all away on a home game against a shitty team playing for nothing. Fucking retarded. I'm so pissed off right now.

They will still have it. Dallas will make sure of it

[The Professor]

They will still have it. Dallas will make sure of it

Huh? If Falcons win they get the 2 seed now.

[bdog1321]

Oh my edit didn't go through. I meant to say unless they need other help

[Serge]

My condolences, Hulky. I know a thing or two about having high hopes dashed by your QB breaking his leg/knee.

[Mantis]

Thank God he missed that field goal... I was gonna be pissed if we won haha.

[Hulky]

Not mad Carr will be back eventually, and we are still going to the playoffs and winning so it's not so bad.

McGloin for playoff success and $50,000,000 Cleveland Browns contract.

[Hugh]

Glad to hear you say that, Hulky. I was worried we were going to have to talk you off a bridge.
The NFL is fucking brutal.

[bludhoundz]

Is it just me or does it seem like every year now that the NFC playoffs are more compelling? In the AFC we now have Oakland without their #1 QB and a team that's basically destined to be one-and-done as usual in Houston. It's also a lot of the same faces (4/6?) from last year with New England, Pittsburgh, KC, and Houston returning to the playoffs. NFC is way different, with the top 2 seeds from last year totally out of the picture, 2 new division winners in those spots, and some of the NFL's bigger storylines like the rookie-led Cowboys, Green Bay's crazy run (I think they're gonna beat Detroit man) since being 4-6, and the Giants free agency frenzy actually paying off

[Hugh]

Very true. I really want someone to knock off the Patriots but I just don't see it. Maybe Pittsburgh.

[Serge]

Zero chance Green Bay loses to Detroit. It sucks that a Dallas/Green Bay NFCCG is unlikely due to seeding.

Also, family was talking about Derek Carr which led to talking about David Carr. And while Derek is infitely better than David ever was David Carr will always be an inspiration to me. That man got sacked more times in a season than anyone ever and he always got back up. The balls it must have taken to get back under center when you know damn well that you'd be back on your ass under a 300+ lb defensive end in seven seconds.

[Hulky]

Give the Raiders Aldon back and we will win the SB.

[bludhoundz]

I think you would need Carr back too

[Hugh]

Ya think?

[Hugh]

I truly admire Hulky's optimism, but Oakland has the 28th ranked defense in the league and Carr is a legit MVP candidate. They've been winning shootouts all year. There's no overcoming this loss.

[bdog1321]

what a terrible run! you don't score with a freaking minute 18 seconds left! get your ass down on the one and milk the clock

...then don't fuck up when you need to get it in

[bdog1321]

and boom goes the dynamite

[Hugh]

Hell of a game, though.

[bludhoundz]

antonio brown is my favorite player not on the giants

[Hugh]

And he's OBJ's bestie. Total shocker!

[Hugh]

I had no idea Leveon Bell was so big. Just looked up his combine numbers and he was listed at 244 lbs. He's way too big to be that quick.

[Da Gyps]

Chiefs SHOULD win this game, but lately they've been doing a good job at losing games they should win in Arrowhead (Bucs, Titans).

[Hugh]

Never seen a faster player than Tyreek Hill.

[bludhoundz]

I had no idea Leveon Bell was so big. Just looked up his combine numbers and he was listed at 244 lbs. He's way too big to be that quick.

I am like 90% sure he dropped 20 pounds when he started playing in the NFL. He's still a big guy and really tough to tackle.

Also I wonder when teams will learn to be ready for Tyreek lol

[bdog1321]

Never seen a faster player than Tyreek Hill.

i like the chefs and he makes the chefs exciting to watch

[Hugh]

Chiefs kicking them right in the cocks.

[Da Gyps]

Never seen a faster player than Tyreek Hill.

He makes fast guys look slow it's unreal.

ALSO DONTARI POE TOUCHDOWN PASS MERRY FUCKING CHRISTMAS

[Da Gyps]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0h4Z4aVQAAAJm9.jpg

[Da Gyps]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0k8OsxVIAAGLmh.jpg

[Hugh]

Dallas made that look easy.

[Hugh]

Detroit has a white running back. He just scored a TD. He actually looks good. I'm stunned.
It's like seeing Bigfoot fucking a unicorn.

[The Professor]

Either the Detroit O-Line is playing well above their heads or the Dallas defense is playing atrocious. I'm leaning towards atrocious but not sure.

[bdog1321]

The Lions worship in the broadcast booth is disgusting

[Maverik]

I hope ESPN runs a statistic on the last time a white RB had 2 TDs

[Maverik]

and we're not talking John Kuhn punching 2 in

he's a FB

[The Professor]

Put in ROMO!!!

[Maverik]

also, the Dallas O-Line is insane

I mean, Zeke has good vision, but he literally doesn't have to do anything

[Hugh]

Exactly. This guy is the feature back. He's got 10 carries already. Can't remember the last time I've seen it.

[Burnout278]

Lions D Line is decent. I mean not Texans level of anything, but is built to stop Adrian Peterson

[Hugh]

That TD catch by Bryant was unfuckingbelievable.
He's an animal.

[bdog1321]

Missed a blatant call on dez there but HOLY SHIT WHAT A CATCH

[Maverik]

bdog might be the whiniest sports fan

he deserves the Browns or something

like, you should be The One and posting from your high horse right now and all I see are pussy complaints

fucking run with it man

the complaining is worse

[bdog1321]

i mean he grabbed the cb's facemask for a full second or more, it was pretty bad

[Burnout278]

bdog might be the whiniest sports fan

he deserves the Browns or something

like, you should be The One and posting from your high horse right now and all I see are pussy complaints

fucking run with it man

the complaining is worse

It's because he wants his team to fail so Romo can go back in

[bdog1321]

yeah that's it i'm really just super racist fuck dak

[bdog1321]

man do i love me some jj wilcox this season tho

[Maverik]

you polo-shirt wearer you

[bdog1321]

DEZ BRYANT JUST THREW A TOUCHDOWNq

[Hugh]

That was a big league smoke.
Jock straps all over the field.

[bdog1321]

That was a big league smoke.
Jock straps all over the field.

you should be a commentator, i'd lose my shit laughing if i heard jon gruden say that

[bdog1321]

there goes smith. Take the fucking starters out.

[Hugh]

I wish I was. When I watch football I just talk shit the entire time, no matter who is playing. It brings me great joy

[Hugh]

Could there be a Romo sighting?

[Hugh]

That was the best hit ever by a punter. He knocked his dick in the dirt.

[KBHoleN1]

For the championship:

Do I keep going with Zeke even though the Cowboys have locked up home field advantage?

OR........

Do I start Rawls instead? Not as good obviously, but Seattle will be playing hard and more importantly, AT HOME.

Don't fail me TAO
Hoping you started Zeke and not that bum Rawls. 8 carries for 8 yards? Lulz.

[The Professor]

I left Zeke in. Didn't need him after all but still a good choice. We should make a collective TAO DraftKings account.

[Hulky]

Pretty sure Peyton Hillis is the runningback you guys couldn't remember when you guys were posting about Zach Zenner a couple pages ago

[Hugh]

Yes. He was really good for like 15 minutes.

[Greendaybum5]

Target him more? He had 11 catches for 150 yards tonight. He has 96 catches for 1323 yards on the season, which leads all receivers.
More than what?

not saying he hasn't had a great season. I'm saying Eli missed him quite a bit. 11 catches and probably missed him another 5-7 times if I were to rewatch the game. I just know there were times while sitting there saying he's double covered and still wide open. I never realized how good of a route runner he actually was until seeing it in person.