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[Hulky]

how have I been weird?

[Maverik]

this is why we love you

[Hugh]

how have I been weird?


I do this thing that is like a full offseason mock draft (each team has a human GM) with salary caps and all that, free agency, trades and drafting and the two I completed are the following:

Saints (first one of the year a couple months ago before FA started irl)
Team: New Orleans Saints

Summary of all cuts:

Summary of all trades:
Terron Armstead > Anthony Barr
Brandin Cooks > Dallas round one pick
Dallas round one pick > Giovani Bernard + Bengals round two pick
Kenny Vaccaro > Donovan Smith

Summary of all Free Agent signings:
Larry Warford, G -- 5years/$20,536,200
Chance Warmack, G -- 4years/$14,449,200
Stephen Paea, NT -- 3years/$7,179,120
Nate Allen, FS -- 3years/$6,051,150
Matt Elam, SS -- 4years/$3,255,000
Mario Williams, DE -- 1year/$1,700,000
John Sullivan, C -- 1year/$1,653,980
Stephen Tulloch, MLB -- 1year/$1,000,000


(Waiver Claim Free Agents)
Marcus Williams, CB
Josh Huff, WR
Dri Archer, RB

Summary of all draft picks:
1 Solomon Thomas, DL Stanford
2 Jarrad Davis, MLB Florida
2 Evan Engram, WR/TE Ole Miss
3 Jourdan Lewis, CB Michigan
4 Chris Godwin, WR Penn State
4 Dawuane Smoot, DE Illinois
4 Nathan Peterman, QB Pittsburgh
6 Jeremy McNichols, RB Boise State
7 Roderick Henderson, NT Alabama State


Final Roster:
QB: Drew Brees, Luke McCown, Nathan Peterman, Garrett Grayson
RB: Mark Ingram, Giovanni Bernard, Jeremy McNichols, Daniel Lasco, Marcus Murphy
WR: Michael Thomas
WR: Chris Godwin, Brandon Coleman
Slot: Willie Snead
TE:Coby Fleener, Evan Engram, Josh Hill
LT: Andrus Peat, Donovan Smith
LG: Chance Warmack, Tim Lelito

C: Max Unger, John Sullivan, Jack Allen

RG: Larry Warford, Senio Kelemete, Landon Turner

RT: Zach Strief, Avery Young

5T: Cameron Jordan, Mario Williams, DJ Pittway, Michael Loewen

1T: Stephen Paea
, Roderick Henderson, Tyeler Davidson
3T: Sheldon Rankins, David Onyemata
9T: Solomon Thomas, Dawuane Smoot, Obum Gwacham

SLB: Anthony Barr, Hau’oli Kikaha, Nathan Stupar

MLB: Jarrad Davis, Stephen Tulloch, Travis Feeney

WLB: Craig Robertson, Stephone Anthony, Dannell Ellerbe

CB: Delvin Breaux, Marcus Williams, DeVante Harris, Ken Crawley
CB: PJ Williams, Damian Swann, Jimmy Pruitt
Nickel: Jourdan Lewis

FS: Jairus Byrd, Nate Allen


SS: Vonn Bell, Matt Elam


K: Wil Lutz
P: Thomas Morstead
KR/PR: Josh Huff, Dri Archer

and the second one was the Raiders which was done in February

Cap Space:
~13,000,000

TRADE BLOCK

CUTS
Aldon Smith, DE (resigned to vet minimum)
Sebastian Janikowski, K (resigned to vet minimum)
Cooper Helfet, TE (to get 90 man roster)
Ryan O'Malley, TE (to get 90 man roster)
Taiwan Jones, RB (to get under 90, post UDFA)
Jaydon Pickens, WR (to get under 90, post UDFA)
Branden Jackson, DE (to get under 90, post UDFA)
Jimmy Bean, DE (to get under 90, post UDFA)

TRADES
Raiders Receive:Round 5 Pick, Connor Barwin
Eagles Receive: Round 4 Pick

Reasoning: Connor Barwin was a veteran edge rusher that can contribute to our pass rush for potentially another year or two. In 3-4 looks he also has experience, and likely is a superior fit. Worst case scenario I just made a move similar to that of the Raiders signing Lamarr Woodley, but I believe Connor Barwin is likely not a bust. With Barwin, Aldon, Mack and Irvin we will have quiet a bit of rushing talent and another veteran to mentor James Cowser and Shilique Calhoun.
________

Raiders Receive: DJ Fluker, RT
Chargers Receive: Jihad Ward, DL

Reasoning: Jihad Ward was a selection I didn't agree with at the time, and new general manager is bringing in "his guys". This also replaces Austin Howard, one of our offseason needs. I think Jihad Ward still has upside, but I am addressing needs here.
________

Raiders Receive: Curtis Grant, MLB
Giants Receive: Ben Heeney, MLB

Reasoning: Ben Heeney I think has had his Oakland Raiders shot, so I flipped him to the Giants where he can compete for another fringe roster player Curtis Grant at the same position. Grant was a 5 star HS recruit that didn't really pan out at the Ohio State. His upside comes to Oakland with the ability to compete for a roster spot or potentially, if rules permit, become a developmental player on the practice squad.

________
Raiders Receive:
Brian Cushing - ILB
Kurtis Drummond - S
Round: 4th Pick: 24 Overall: 129

Texans Receive:
Dan Williams - 43DT
Austin Howard - RT
Round: 5th Pick: 10 Overall: 155
Round: 5th Pick: 24 Overall: 169

Reasoning: Brian Cushing addresses the need for a veteran leader in the middle of the defense. He is capable of all the mental and leadership abilities we are in need of in the center of our defense and has success playing with fellow trade acquisition Connor Barwin. Like the Barwin trade I view this as a stop gap in an effort to have enough talent for a SB push in a two year window before reloading. Kurtis Drummond was a mid-late round safety prospect I liked out a couple draft classes back that ended up undrafted but has remained in the league. I view him as depth at safety with developmental upside of starter potential.

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Raiders Receive:

Ifo Ekpre-Olomu - CB
Pick 243

Dolphins Receive :
Pick 208

Reason: Ifo as a prospect before his injury was a top nickel corner, now coming off his second ACL (and irl release) I figured I would place a bet on his rebound and move down a bit in the late rounds to control his contract should he return successfully. When we theoretically trim to 53 players, Ifo will almost assuredly take an IR spot, which is an acquisition with minimal cost.

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Raiders Receive:

5th Round Draft Selection

Steelers Receive :
Sean Smith, CB

Reason: Making cap room and getting a draft pick. CB will be one of the more likely BPA positions when we enter the clock in the first round and it's a deep class. Sean Smith is a fair starter, slightly overpaid, slightly old but a good couple year plan. If I had been smarter and noticed Tre Mason waiver claim would cost me roughly 4mil I'd have never done that and would likely have kept Sean Smith. For that reason I think the Steelers get the edge in this trade.

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Raiders Receive:

13th Overall Draft Selection

Cardinals Receive :
2017 Round 1 (Pick 24)
2017 Round 3
2018 Round 3

Reason:Traded up to select our top rated CB on our board to address the most glaring need of our team.

TAGS/EXTENSIONS/RESIGNS
Exclusive Rights Franchise Tag - Jon Condo - LS
2nd Round Tender - Denico Autry - DE
ERFA - Denver Kirkland - LG
ERFA - Gabe Holmes - TE
ERFA - SaQwan Edwards - DB
ERFA - Seth Roberts - WR



FREE AGENCY
Round 1, Successful Sign - Le'Veon Bell, RB $12,958,333 APY
Round 1, Successful Resign - Menelik Watson, OT $1,220,688 APY
Round 1, Failure to Sign - Sylvester Williams, DT $1,488,750 APY
Round 1, Failure to Sign - AJ Klein, OLB $1,487,500 APY
Waiver Wire Claim - Tre Mason - RB
Waiver Wire Claim - Connor Shaw - QB
Waiver Failed Wire Attempt - Geogre Atkinson III - RB
Waiver Wire Claim - Cole Manhart - RG
Waiver Failed Wire Attempt - Stanley Jean-Baptise - CB
Waiver Wire Claim - Carl Bradford - ILB
Waiver Failed Wire Attempt - James Hurst - LT
Waiver Wire Claim - Marcus Cromartie - S
Round 2, Failure to Sign - Dontari Poe, NT $7,550,000 APY
Round 2, Failure to Sign - Kevin Minter, ILB $1,341,197 APY
Round 2, Successful Sign - Matt Elam, S $872,500 APY
Round 2, Successful Resign - DJ Hayden, CB $776,250 APY
Round 3, Successful Sign - Karl Klug, DE/DT $4,476,614 APY
Round 3, Successful Sign - Arthur Jones, DE/DT $900,000 APY
Round 3, Failure to Sign - Manti Te'o, ILB $1,623,333 APY
Round 3, Failure to Resign - Andre Holmes, WR $790,000 APY
Round 5, Successful Sign - Kendall Reyes, DE/DT $775,000 APY
Round 5, Successful Sign - Cam Thomas, NT $775,000 APY
Round 5, Successful Sign - Rod Streater, WR $775,000 APY
Round 6, Successful Sign - Rahim Moore, S $845,000 APY
Round 6, Successful Sign - Vince Wilfork, NT $1,000,000 APY
Round 6, Successful Resign - Andre Holmes, WR $782,500 APY
Round 6, Failure to Sign - Desmond Bryant, DL $2,083,291 APY
Round 7, Failure to Sign - Stephen Paea, DL $1,666,666 APY
Round 7, Successful Sign - Danny Amendola, WR 2yr/$4,000,000 APY
Round 7, Successful Resign - Mychal Rivera, TE 1yr/$690,000
Round 8, Successful Sign - Jamaal Charles, RB 1yr/$2,500,003
Round 8, Successful Sign - Mark Sanchez, QB 1yr/$900,000
Round 8, Successful Sign - Perrish Cox, CB 1yr/$775,000
Round 8, Successful Sign - Nate Allen, S 1yr/$775,001
Round 9, Successful Sign - Matt McCants, RG 1yr/$690,000
Round 9, Successful Sign - Andre Ellington, RB 1yr/$690,000
Round 9, Successful Sign - Aldon Smith, EDGE 1yr/$775,000
Round 9, Successful Resign - Sebastian Janikowski, K 1yr/$1,000,000

Draft Picks
1. Marlon Humphrey, CB Alabama
2. Tanoh Kpassagnon, DE Villanova
4. Connor Harris, ILB Lindenwood
5. Carroll Phillips, OLB Illinois
7. Nathan Gerry, SS Nebraska
7. Roderick Henderson, NT Alabama State


UDFA'S
1. Al-Quadin Muhammad, DE Miami
2. Krishawn Hogan, WR Marian
3. TJ Jones, OT Florida A$M
4. TJ Holloman, MLB South Carolina


DEPTH CHART

Offense:
QB: Derek Carr, Connor Cook, Mark Sanchez, Connor Shaw

RB: LeVeon Bell, Jamaal Charles, Jalen Richard, DeAndre Washington, Andre Ellington, Tre Mason

FB: Jamize Olawale 

WR: Amari Cooper, Andre Holmes, Johnny Holton
WR: Michael Crabtree, Krishawn Hogan, KJ Brent

Slot: Danny Amendola, Seth Roberts, Rod Streater
TE: Clive Walford, Lee Smith, Mychal Rivera, Gabe Holmes
LT: Donald Penn
, Matt McCants, TJ Jones
LG: Kelechi Osemele, Denver Kirkland, Oni Omoile, Cole Manhart

C: Rodney Hudson, Jon Feliciano

RG: Gabe Jackson, Vadal Alexander 

RT: DJ Fluker, Menelik Watson, Ian Silberman


4-3 Under Front:



5Tech/BaseEnd: Tanoh Kpassagnon, Denico Autry, Kendall Reyes

1Tech/NT: Vince Wilfork, Justin Ellis
, Roderick Henderson, Cam Thomas
3Tech/UT: Mario Edwards, Karl Klug, Darius Latham, Arthur Jones
LEO/Edge: Khalil Mack, Aldon Smith, Carroll Phillips, James Cowser, Al-Quadin Muhammad

SLB: Connor Barwin, Shilique Calhoun, Andy Mulumba, Demetrius Cherry

MLB: Brian Cushing, Connor Harris, Corey James, TJ Holloman, Carl Bradford, Curtis Grant
WLB: Bruce Irvin, Neiron Ball, Dwayne Norman, Tyrell Adams


CB: David Amerson, Perrish Cox, Dexter McDonald

CB: Marlon Humphrey, DJ Hayden, Antonio Hamilton

Nickel: Travis Carrie, Kenneth Durden
, Ifo Ekpre-Olomu (IR)
FS: Reggie Nelson, Nate Allen, Kurtis Drummond, Keith McGill
, SaQwan Edwards, Marcus Cromartie
SS: Karl Joseph, Rahim Moore, Nathan Gerry, Matt Elam

Specialists:


LS: Jon Condo

K: Sebastian Janikowski

P: Marquette King

I'm just messing with you, Hulky, but I couldn't resist.:)
#nohate
#brofist
#here2help

[Hulky]

doing mock drafts in pre-draft offseason football is not weird lol

also Nightmarez posts on rotoworld are far more in depth than posts I make on football sites (like he dellllllves into individual players and plays)

[bdog1321]

hearing gooddell booed at the draft is one of my all-time guilty pleasures

[bdog1321]

holy shit a trade already!

[bdog1321]

HOLY BALLS WHAT

i guess that explains why they gave up so much to trade up 1 spot

[Maverik]

EXPLAIN

I'm not watching

[bdog1321]

the chicago bears traded up to #2 to tell the world that they thought the legend of zelda: breath of the wild is an overrated game

[Gryph]

the chicago bears traded up to #2 to tell the world that they thought the legend of zelda: breath of the wild is an overrated game

it is.

[bdog1321]

fuck you

[bdog1321]

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU REdskins

[Hugh]

I never get tired of listening to Roger Goodell get booed when he walks up to announce a pick. It's funny every time to me.
Honestly, it's the main reason I watch the first round. Otherwise I'd just follow it on my phone.

[Hugh]

I'm happy for Marshawn Lynch and the Raiders. Lynch is one of my favorite players to watch and I'm excited to see him play again, even if it's not for Seattle. Hope he kicks ass for you, Hulky.

[The One]

49ers got away with highway robbery last night. It's very encouraging what John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan are doing for this team already. Solomon Thomas and Reuben Foster are top 10 picks which they got at great value. Now it's time to draft some CBs and a QB they can develop.
#brickbybrick

[Hugh]

Yeah, Lynch had a really good night. Still don't know what the Bears were thinking, but whatever. You should definitely be encouraged, TO.

[Hulky]

lol'd

Jeff Darlington @JeffDarlington
37s
Oh my gosh. Reuben Foster says the Saints called him to welcome him to the team. He got another call. It was 49ers. HE HUNG UP ON SAINTS!

[Hugh]

Ryan Anderson and Justin Evans were both drafted and not 1 fucking word was said about either player on the live draft. Not a clip, highlight, picture, nothing. They talked about Joe Mixon the entire time. They showed the video of him hitting the girl, and 2 picks later they were still showing game clips.
Fucking shameful. Absolute bullshit. Those kids didn't get a single mention on the biggest days of their lives.

[Maverik]

Joe Mixon is a shitbag

I would have decked him if I saw that happen

[Hulky]

I dunno supposedly the girl blew smoke in his face while her friend called him a nigger before she decked him and he just responded.

[Maverik]

that is not how you fucking respond, even if that was the case

can't believe you're even trying that

[bdog1321]

that drew pearson monologue was one of the greatest things i've ever seen/heard

[Hulky]

that is not how you fucking respond, even if that was the case

can't believe you're even trying that

I can't believe this is the only thing you can focus on during the draft. If you watched the video it's obvious he just reacted. He was suspended and then came back and was super open about talking about it (he released the video months ago). Basically no teams weree comfortable with taking him, but the Bengals with owner consent did.

I don't care about it much, but I go to school with a bunch of people that went to high school with Mixon and they all defend him all the time. I'm happy with the Raiders picks.

[Hugh]

Doesn't Greg Olsen just look like a total asshole? I'm not saying he is. In fact everything I've heard is that he's a great guy. He just looks like the meanest fucker on earth.

[Maverik]

I can't believe this is the only thing you can focus on during the draft. If you watched the video it's obvious he just reacted. He was suspended and then came back and was super open about talking about it (he released the video months ago). Basically no teams weree comfortable with taking him, but the Bengals with owner consent did.

I don't care about it much, but I go to school with a bunch of people that went to high school with Mixon and they all defend him all the time. I'm happy with the Raiders picks.

how is it my focus?

Hugh brought up how the broadcast is focusing on it and ignoring other players, which is a fucking shame and I absolutely agree with that

[Hulky]

Tony Richardson misspelled Jets when trying to lead a J-E-T-S chant lool

J
E
T
E
Jets!

[Hugh]

This draft is one of the craziest things I've seen. How many fucking people were there?
Philly is killing it.

[Hugh]

C.J Beathard gets drafted and they show a childhood picture of him with Taylor Swift? Lol. They just fucked that guy so hard. Think his teammates aren't going to fuck with him forever about that one? Might as well show him buck naked getting his diaper changed.
This shit cracks me up.

[bdog1321]

This draft is one of the craziest things I've seen. How many fucking people were there?
Philly is killing it.

100k

full cowboys stadium

[Hulky]

The Raiders signed the dog beater as an undrafted free agent, very disappointed and I hope he is among the first cuts.

[Greendaybum5]

This city was amazing the past weekend. I think there's a good chance they come back next year. 50,000 more people than were originally expected. Have a few restaurant clients right near the parkway where it was hosted and they killed it this weekend. I didn't go into the actual "NFL Draft Experience" area or whatever the official title was, but it was amazing being in the city during this.

As for the draft, the Eagles didn't make any flashy picks, but I think they made some good ones. Decent draft in my eyes. Love what the niners did fleecing the bears. Was an exciting first round.

[IROK]

I'm happy for Marshawn Lynch and the Raiders. Lynch is one of my favorite players to watch and I'm excited to see him play again, even if it's not for Seattle. Hope he kicks ass for you, Hulky.

I am not happy about this at all. Even at a reduced role I don't want to have to go against him twice a season if I'm Denver lol.

[bdog1321]

the only reason i'm not more excited about the cowboys' picks is because the redskins and eagles both also drafted very well. LOL at the giants draft tho. ignored their line and used their top pick on a slot wr

[Greendaybum5]

100k

full cowboys stadium

there were 250k there

[bdog1321]

there were 250k there

i'm always right please don't argue

[Hugh]

For someone who's always right you sure are wrong a lot.

#shotsfired
#bdogtriggered
#romoisahomo
#gohawks

[bdog1321]

truth is objectively subjective

[The One]

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/page/32for32x170509/predicting-best-2017-rookie-all-32-nfl-teams

Interesting read on rookies that should be making an impact immediately for their respective teams.

[bdog1321]

way to go eagles, you had zero backfield so you signed a 30-year-old power back who has never succeeded outside of new england's scheme, and really doesn't fit your team at all

[Greendaybum5]

way to go eagles, you had zero backfield so you signed a 30-year-old power back who has never succeeded outside of new england's scheme, and really doesn't fit your team at all

Scheme will be very similar in Philly to NE for him.... He's going to be an early down back with a pass catching RB coming in for 3rd. I can't wait for Eagles to beat Dallas this year.

[The One]

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/19446960/calvin-johnson-oakland-raiders-otas

Calvin Johnson is joining the Raiders OTAs. Could you imagine having a WR squad with Megatron, Cooper, and Crabtree? Hulky must be salivating.

[bdog1321]

so when is fantasy starting

[Maverik]

we figured we would just start it after the season this year

[Hulky]

Can renew it whenever. Got the email to do it a month or so ago but figured renewing is probably best around July so it's not a buried email for everyone.

[bdog1321]

yeah i was joking lol, i'm just excited for this season. i feel like there's a lot of different ways things can break and it's less of a sure thing than a lot of years

[Hulky]

we also should get on the rules changes propositions earlier this year if we actually want to make changes and discuss them/vote

[The One]

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/19523880/jeremy-maclin-released-kansas-city-chiefs

Maclin could be a decent fit for a few teams. Hell he's only 29 years old.

[Hulky]

Maybe a team without WRs like the 49ers lol
Maclin was pretty awful last year

[Hulky]

Derek Carr #1 highest paid player in the leagggggue

[Sanosuke]

Derek Carr just inadvertently fucked every other team with stud QBs.

[Sanosuke]

Unpopular opinion: Derek Carr doesn't deserve to be the highest paid player in the league.

[Hulky]

Aaron Rodgers deserves to be #1, but that's the problem with setting the standard with a long term deal - the cap improves and your deal becomes the baseline. Rodgers probably will reclaim #1 when he's up. Cousins, Stafford probably use Carr's deal to negotiate. I'd think Stafford becomes the top paid player, because who else are the Lions paying, he's due for contract, he's still young, has insane stats and comeback success in current system.

[Sanosuke]

My thing is body of work needs to define paychecks. Carr is great for the raiders. Just think that he needs another season or two for that kind of monehy

[Hulky]

My thing is body of work needs to define paychecks. Carr is great for the raiders. Just think that he needs another season or two for that kind of monehy

Carr:
year 1: 58.1% 3270yd 21td 12int
year 2: 61.1% 3987yd 32td 13int
year 3: 63.8% 3937yd 28td 06int
$25,000,000 avg in second contract

Wilson:
year 1: 64.1 3118yd 26td 10int
year 2: 63.1 3357yd 26td 09int
year 3: 63.1 3475yd 20td 07int
year 4: $31,722,469
year 5: $12,342,000
year 6: $12,600,000
year 7: $15,500,000
year 8: $17,000,000
$17,832,893.8 avg in second contract

2015 (year of Wilson's 2nd contract) salary cap: $143.28 million
2017 (year of Carr's 2nd contract) salary cap: $167 million
roughly a 16.5% increase

and 17.8m to 25m is roughly a 40% increase

Carr did good lol. Prolly should have gotten about $21m a year to match inflation, but that could also just mean Seattle has Wilson on a discounted rate.

[Darkness]

Carr is a stud for sure. The contract is expensive, but top-notch quarterbacks can almost command whatever they want at this point. While Carr sets the market now, the upcoming quarterback contracts will surely follow suite and the difference between having Carr versus an above average QB is surely worth the extra millions. IMO, if you have a quarterback that you believe can carry your franchise for years to come, then you lock him down for whatever the price is.

[Sanosuke]

Carr:
year 1: 58.1% 3270yd 21td 12int
year 2: 61.1% 3987yd 32td 13int
year 3: 63.8% 3937yd 28td 06int
$25,000,000 avg in second contract

Wilson:
year 1: 64.1 3118yd 26td 10int
year 2: 63.1 3357yd 26td 09int
year 3: 63.1 3475yd 20td 07int
year 4: $31,722,469
year 5: $12,342,000
year 6: $12,600,000
year 7: $15,500,000
year 8: $17,000,000
$17,832,893.8 avg in second contract

2015 (year of Wilson's 2nd contract) salary cap: $143.28 million
2017 (year of Carr's 2nd contract) salary cap: $167 million
roughly a 16.5% increase

and 17.8m to 25m is roughly a 40% increase

Carr did good lol. Prolly should have gotten about $21m a year to match inflation, but that could also just mean Seattle has Wilson on a discounted rate.

One won a super bowl. Can't do anything about Carr getting hurt but I don't think Oakland makes it past NE or ATL anyways

[bludhoundz]

Oakland won a ton of close games last year. That's a tough thing to replicate. I think they're a good young team, but I'm not all in.

By the way, I know that it's generally accepted that the NFL Top 100 is a joke. But there is something this year that bugs me... and yeah call me a Giants fan or whatever but I'll be totally honest with you this isn't even about division beef. I'll also admit it's not the dumbest thing on the list by a longshot but it does really bother me. The fact that Ezekiel Elliott was ranked above David Johnson and Le'Veon Bell on the Top 100 is pretty fucking absurd to me. I have no argument with him being in the top 10, he's a great player. I really do believe he's an excellent player and I'm not trying to take that away from him. But if you throw on his highlights or the highlights of one of the other guys, watch the difference in how many wide open lanes he has to run through, and how much more effort the other two put into making big gains. Le'Veon has a pretty good O Line himself but David Johnson was practically a one man show... ridiculous that he was left out of the top 10. This is just more media sensationalism at its finest, and the Cowboys having a bigger fanbase showing through here. And like I said you can try to call me out for being biased here or whatever but I take no offense that Odell Beckham is the 3rd WR on the list. If anything I'm more flabbergasted that David Johnson is outside the top 10, but there's no way Elliott was a better player than these other 2 guys last year. If you wanna project him ahead going forward I take no issue, but man I really get sick of the big media markets getting all the love sometimes

[Hulky]

Yeah Wilson won a SB but SB really hasn't been priced into QB contracts. Like Dalton never won a playoff game either and he got basically 100 mil. Brock wasn't worth starting and got 4y/72mil. Sam Bradford made over 25mil his second year in the league lol.

[Hulky]

Oakland won a ton of close games last year. That's a tough thing to replicate. I think they're a good young team, but I'm not all in.

By the way, I know that it's generally accepted that the NFL Top 100 is a joke. But there is something this year that bugs me... and yeah call me a Giants fan or whatever but I'll be totally honest with you this isn't even about division beef. I'll also admit it's not the dumbest thing on the list by a longshot but it does really bother me. The fact that Ezekiel Elliott was ranked above David Johnson and Le'Veon Bell on the Top 100 is pretty fucking absurd to me. I have no argument with him being in the top 10, he's a great player. I really do believe he's an excellent player and I'm not trying to take that away from him. But if you throw on his highlights or the highlights of one of the other guys, watch the difference in how many wide open lanes he has to run through, and how much more effort the other two put into making big gains. Le'Veon has a pretty good O Line himself but David Johnson was practically a one man show... ridiculous that he was left out of the top 10. This is just more media sensationalism at its finest, and the Cowboys having a bigger fanbase showing through here. And like I said you can try to call me out for being biased here or whatever but I take no offense that Odell Beckham is the 3rd WR on the list. If anything I'm more flabbergasted that David Johnson is outside the top 10, but there's no way Elliott was a better player than these other 2 guys last year. If you wanna project him ahead going forward I take no issue, but man I really get sick of the big media markets getting all the love sometimes

A lot of Oakland's issues last year (and the year before) were that we couldn't stop TEs. Hopefully Obi Melifonwu will help with that, we also added a very good rookie corner in Gareon Conley if Sean Smith takes a step back, but either way it let's the Raiders have CB depth to not force Sean Smith to poorly match against guys like Brandin Cooks. Basically every TE hosed Oakland, and if Obi is half the player most people think he is that should improve. Also Raiders played most of the year without our second best defender Mario Edwards.

To the Top 100 thing, I think it's voted on by the players not the media. Like obviously the players hear in the media, but they also actually played against the guys and have the videos.

[bludhoundz]

Yeah but JJ Watt was #35 or somethin

lol thats way dumber than the stuff I was complaining about

[Hulky]

Raiders draft class of Khalil, Carr and Jackson (1, 2, 3) is about to be a 1/4 billion in their second contracts lol

[Sanosuke]

Yeah Wilson won a SB but SB really hasn't been priced into QB contracts. Like Dalton never won a playoff game either and he got basically 100 mil. Brock wasn't worth starting and got 4y/72mil. Sam Bradford made over 25mil his second year in the league lol.

Wilson and Flacco is basically what im getting at. Got paid for SB wins and that's about it.

[Hugh]

If Wilson and Flacco's careers and stats were exactly the same but without the SB wins, their contracts would be no different.

[bdog1321]

wilson is way better than flacco

[Hugh]

wilson is way better than flacco

Yes, but they would both have received giant contracts even if they'd lost the Superbowls instead of won.

[Hulky]

Ravens coulda tagged and traded Flacco and extended Tyrod Taylor on the cheap. If they did it for future picks, they could have got someone like Khalil Mack, Odell Beckham Jr, Aaron Donald, or Anthony Barr pretty easily.

[bludhoundz]

https://twitter.com/DeAngeloRB/status/886999001345740800?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fdailysnark.com%2Fformer-panthers-players-rip-gm-dave-gettleman-team-fires%2F

[Hulky]

I bought one of the nice stitched jerseys today. Like the kind that are like $200.
It was a Browns Brady Quinn jersey, which I've wanted since that draft class. I was in bootcamp during the draft and realllllllly wanted the Raiders to draft Brady Quinn over Jamarcus Russell. The Quinn jersey was in stores around the country for like a week that I saw and I held off and never saw another again.

Anyways saw one today. I asked how much. He said "is that a Browns jersey?". I said yes, he said "I dunno, $10?".

Sold.

[Maverik]

you're more hipster than SoD

[bludhoundz]

lol

do you guys think that Zeke is gonna get suspended?

[Sanosuke]

Prolly not

[bdog1321]

of course

[Da Gyps]

He should be.

[bdog1321]

http://i.imgur.com/hr9Mqw2.jpg

derek carr ranks 25/25 in y/a on the list of qbs that have thrown for over 1500 passes since 2012. look at the people he's behind. i'm a little shocked how bad that is

[KBHoleN1]

But his TD and INT numbers are pretty good, which puts him middle of the pack in rating.

[Gryph]

Evident of Carr having better pocket awareness to be quite fair, considering the bulkhead of the raiders rb corps combined for 83 receptions last year for the 357 completions. Screens, dump offs, etc. I'm curious what those averages would be to other QBs on that list who don't regularly do that if nothing is downfield would look like.

[Hugh]

DangerRuss at the top.

[Hulky]

It's from Carr's rookie year when the OC wouldn't let him throw down field (because of talent level of the team, James Jones and like Denarius Moore were the top two WR and MJD/DMC was the RB [MJD like 1ypc and DMC was like 3ypc, Murray played the KC game and was awesome, but left hurt]). Just watch any of those games to see it. It's gone from 5.5 his rookie year to 7.0 the last two years. Seven is pretty good given our system as a west coast power blocking team, Favre is 7.1 career for example with a similar offensive scheme. The zone blocking Shanahan/Kubiak/Gibbs type thing usually has a higher Y/A for example Matt Ryan went from 7-7.5 to a 9.3 last year. Matt Schaub was an 8-8.5 under Kubiak/Shanny and went to a 6-7 when he left that system.

[Da Gyps]

Yeah all you have to do is watch Carr to know he is good. Also still super young.

[Burnout278]

Hey Hulky, wanted to say thank you to the raiders for a good stop gap back.

[Hulky]

Dalvin Cook is way better and it'd be smart to not even timeshare him with Murray imo

Murray is pretty good injury insurance though

[bdog1321]

Rip fuller rip Sterling

[Hugh]

Dolphins signed Jay "Zero Fucks" Cutler. Brought him out of retirement.
If you thought he didn't give a fuck before, just wait.

[bdog1321]

Great, now this will open the floodgates for "what will it take to lure Romo out of retirement?" Talk every time there's a qb injury.

[Hugh]

Great, now this will open the floodgates for "what will it take to lure Romo out of retirement?" Talk every time there's a qb injury.

No, just from you. Nobody else gives a shit.

[Maverik]

pretty sure you mutter those scenarios to yourself while you masturbate

[Hulky]

Jay Cutler is a very good fit for Miami. Already has played for Gase, and the talent level around him is way higher than his career norm.

Kenny Stills, Jarvis Landry, Laremy Tunsil, Ted Larsen , Pouncey, Urbik/Asiata , JaWuan James, Julius Thomas, DeVante Parker
Jay Cutler
Jay Ajayi, Kenyan Drake

[bdog1321]

No, just from you. Nobody else gives a shit.

Wishful thinking


https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dallas-cowboys/cowboys/2017/08/06/ryan-tannehill-tony-romo-incris-collinsworth-thinks-miamicould-entice-ex-cowboy

[Hugh]

Yeah, but does Chris Collinsworth dream of playing center under Romo with no pants on?
I doubt it.

[Sanosuke]

cutler is gonna win the super bowl

[Hulky]

https://twitter.com/RealTylerKunkle/status/895427799908876288

Tyron Smith out with "bulging dick"

[Sanosuke]

Lmao

[bludhoundz]

Zeke out for more games than i thought

[bdog1321]

He's a shit human being, hopefully this helps him get his shit in order. On to 2018!

[Maverik]

he really is a shit human being

glad to see him go down

I agree 6 games is more than I expected though.

I'm guessing they're making an example of him as the NFL works on its image problem.

[Da Gyps]

He's a shit human being, hopefully this helps him get his shit in order. On to 2018!

Good reasonable take.

TIME TO WATCH THE LORD AND SAVIOR PATRICK MAHOMES II TONIGHT.

[Sanosuke]

Good reasonable take.

TIME TO WATCH THE LORD AND SAVIOR PATRICK MAHOMES II TONIGHT.

Shame KC never gave Murray a chance :(

[Da Gyps]

I'm sorry Sano but he sucked. He wasn't that different than Brodie Croyle.

[bdog1321]

Lol rip aguayo

[Hugh]

Lol Rip Ezekiel Elliott.

#bdog t r i g g e r e d

[Sanosuke]

McFadden is probably the best backup you can have though tbh. People are acting like McFadden is talentless plus behind that oline.

[bdog1321]

rico


gathers



.

[Hulky]

Weird pair of trades to see by the Bills. Trade the #1 WR Watson to the Rams, and then at the same time strike a deal to get Jordan Matthews from the Eagles.

[Hugh]

Watkins is awesome but he missed significant playing time the last 2 seasons to injury. It still is a strange move, though.

[Hugh]

McFadden is probably the best backup you can have though tbh. People are acting like McFadden is talentless plus behind that oline.

I don't think people are acting like he's talentless. People are acting like he's old, which he is. If he was talentless there's no way he'd be on an NFL roster preparing for his 10th season. But that's a lot of mileage. McFadden is 30 years old, and no matter what he has left it's hard to imagine it's enough to carry Elliott's workload or even close. But I guess we'll see.
There are worse backups and situations, but it's tough to ask Cowboys fans to feel good about an old Darren McFadden when they just lost the rookie of the year.

[Da Gyps]

Watkins is awesome but he missed significant playing time the last 2 seasons to injury. It still is a strange move, though.

It's not that strange, they are tanking. Maybe they really like a QB in this upcoming draft.

[Da Gyps]

Then again it's the Bills so maybe they don't even have a plan.

[Sanosuke]

McFadden hasn't had full time RB status in forever. If DeAngelo Williams can do it, McFadden definitely can

[Hulky]

also Alfred Morris

[bdog1321]

I don't think people are acting like he's talentless. People are acting like he's old, which he is. If he was talentless there's no way he'd be on an NFL roster preparing for his 10th season. But that's a lot of mileage. McFadden is 30 years old, and no matter what he has left it's hard to imagine it's enough to carry Elliott's workload or even close. But I guess we'll see.
There are worse backups and situations, but it's tough to ask Cowboys fans to feel good about an old Darren McFadden when they just lost the rookie of the year.

with mcfadden i think you just have to worry about his injury risk. he's missed so many games in his career that he really doesn't have that many miles on the tires. it's just his injury risk that is significant.

[Da Gyps]

Posting for blud.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHO2cXTUAAAAjgt.jpg

[bdog1321]

regardless of if zeke is guilty or not, his ex is a scumbag for sure. he might actually have a chance to get his suspension reduced or thrown out with all of the new things coming to light about her.

[Maverik]

no he won't

the investigators pointed that out and distinctly said that it had nothing to do with what he was accused of

they moved forward with his suspension knowing everything that is coming to light now

[bludhoundz]

yeah i remember last year i didn't think he was gonna get suspended because his girl seemed suspect. but with all the new things popping up here and there i became more and more sure that he would

[bdog1321]

no he won't

the investigators pointed that out and distinctly said that it had nothing to do with what he was accused of

they moved forward with his suspension knowing everything that is coming to light now

yeah, because the public didn't know what a shitshow she was. the nfl is trying to make up for ray rice and josh brown. they knew about ray rice and the video and didn't do anything until that went public too. don't think for a second that they care about justice or anything other than saving face.

[Maverik]

the public won't see anything past her bruises

nobody cares if she is scamming him or not

he beat her and that is all they really care about

[KBHoleN1]

But it's plausible he didn't beat her at all. Witnesses confirm she was in a bar fight with another woman prior to the alleged domestic violence incident, and it's speculated that's where she got the bruises from. That plus the text message evidence where she threatens to ruin his career and blackmail him seems like enough to cast suspicion on her story. The NFL obviously took a moral stance on the issue and wanted to hand down a tough sentence, but I wouldn't be surprised if the length was shortened based on this appeal.

[Maverik]

its not really plausible that he didn't beat her 'at all'

he certainly touched her in some regard, whether its to the extent she's claiming or not, nobody will really ever know except for them

I think best case scenario is it goes down to 4 games (I agree that with 6 games, they're trying to set a new precedent)

[Sanosuke]

Still trying to figure out why it's okay for domestic violence to happen and still get paid the big bucks the NFL provides.

If they really cared about a new precedence he wouldn't get to play anymore. Don't people literally go to prison for domestic violence? Or lose their jobs? Or both?

[Maverik]

agreed

[bdog1321]

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and the fact that we'll still watch it. Ultimately we created the NFL in its current iteration by voting with our wallet and our television.

[Sanosuke]

I mean I know like /why/ it happens. I guess it was moreso rhetoric than anything. I just don't understand. If I go get a DUI, I flush the past 6 years I've spent in the army down the toilet and get kicked out. Hell, if I'm even late two-three times in one month or late once a month every month or something I'll get demoted, my money taken for a few paychecks and get my off time taken from me.

I know why they're held to different standards. It's just annoying that they are. I don't expect everyone to be a model citizen and be the cleanest guy on the block like JJ Watt or Von Miller or something, I just want the NFL to take ownership or something. Imagine how much of an impact it might have on society if something as big as the NFL literally fired people like other companies do to their employees when they screw up, get DUIs, beat their spouse, late to work often, etc.

[Hulky]

Von Miller was suspended for drugs in like 2013, so if it were military standards even on him he'd most likely be gone.

[Hugh]

Breaking the law is breaking the law. If an NFL player commits a crime punishable by prison and there's enough evidence to convict him, he'll go to prison. Just like if you or I did.
If he stays out of prison it's because he has more money/better lawyers/resources than you or I, like any rich person. Welcome to America.
Aside from that, being annoyed that an NFL player is held to a different standard or code at his work than a normal person is at his work, is silly. You can call the fairness police or shake your fist at the sky but these are entertainers worth millions in an industry worth billions.
I could be the best in the entire world at my job, but still nobody would pay to watch me do it.

[Maverik]

have you watched a Twitch stream before?

if anything, Twitch has taught me that if your tits are big enough, people will watch you do anything

[Hugh]

I don't have big tits.

[Da Gyps]

Still trying to figure out why it's okay for domestic violence to happen and still get paid the big bucks the NFL provides.

If they really cared about a new precedence he wouldn't get to play anymore. Don't people literally go to prison for domestic violence? Or lose their jobs? Or both?

I think for the NFL to even entertain this idea, they would need hard evidence, preferably video evidence too. Domestic violence in general has long been one of the most underpenalized crimes in this country though (which sickens me), so yeah.


I don't have big tits.

Damn.


Breaking the law is breaking the law. If an NFL player commits a crime punishable by prison and there's enough evidence to convict him, he'll go to prison. Just like if you or I did.
If he stays out of prison it's because he has more money/better lawyers/resources than you or I, like any rich person. Welcome to America.
Aside from that, being annoyed that an NFL player is held to a different standard or code at his work than a normal person is at his work, is silly. You can call the fairness police or shake your fist at the sky but these are entertainers worth millions in an industry worth billions.
I could be the best in the entire world at my job, but still nobody would pay to watch me do it.

Spot on.

It's just reality. The better you are at your job, the more lenient your boss is going to be. If you are easily replaceable well there's the door. Notice how Ray Rice just kind of faded away because he was also starting to suck at football.


have you watched a Twitch stream before?

if anything, Twitch has taught me that if your tits are big enough, people will watch you do anything

So true. Doesn't matter how bad they are at the game either. Female and attractive? GET DEM VIEWS/SUBS/BITS/MONEY.

[Sanosuke]

Breaking the law is breaking the law. If an NFL player commits a crime punishable by prison and there's enough evidence to convict him, he'll go to prison. Just like if you or I did.
If he stays out of prison it's because he has more money/better lawyers/resources than you or I, like any rich person. Welcome to America.
Aside from that, being annoyed that an NFL player is held to a different standard or code at his work than a normal person is at his work, is silly. You can call the fairness police or shake your fist at the sky but these are entertainers worth millions in an industry worth billions.
I could be the best in the entire world at my job, but still nobody would pay to watch me do it.

I understand all of this. I just wish things were handled differently.

[bludhoundz]

https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20841745_1591480864231929_3971744657554920239_n.jp g?oh=db3fdf6b9b592d35bd34f119f3ff8efe&oe=5A2FF149

[Hugh]

That's awesome.

[Hulky]

Blake Bortles about to lose his job to Chad Henne.

[Da Gyps]

blake bortles about to lose his job to chad henne.

r.i.p.

[Hugh]

Seahawks lost their starting left tackle yesterday. Season ending ACL tear in a fucking preseason game. Lol. I hate preseason so much.

[Da Gyps]

Seahawks lost their starting left tackle yesterday. Season ending ACL tear in a fucking preseason game. Lol. I hate preseason so much.

Damn that sucks. The only real goal for preseason games should be no injuries to key players. Hell I wouldn't even play em at all.

[Hulky]

theres no fucking way that guy was your starting left tackle.
a second year undrafted free agent that just played tackle for the first time in the NFL?
They really didn't make a plan to upgrade that this offseason?

How is Russell Wilson alive?

[bdog1321]

It's okay they still have their trump card - the 16th ranked center in the NFL.

And luke joeckel

Yeah Wilson ded

[Sanosuke]

Would be surprised if the Seahawks won more than 6 games this year tbh. Not to shit on them but their line is abysmal, running game is meh, and Wilson can only really throw it to himself at this point.

I feel like Pete Carroll just got lucky with his personnel during the Super Bowl contender years and is actually a shit coach.

[Hulky]

49ers Colts (no Luck potentially) Rams 49ers Jags Rams

is on there schedule for 6-0 most likely anything under 9 wins is kinda odd and 9 or 10 wins is expected I'd think

That's those six teams and like NFC East, Texans, Cards x2 isn't hard to find 3 wins. Cards are late in the year too so Carson, Johnson and or Fitz could be broken down by then.

[Hugh]

Would be surprised if the Seahawks won more than 6 games this year tbh. Not to shit on them but their line is abysmal, running game is meh, and Wilson can only really throw it to himself at this point.

I feel like Pete Carroll just got lucky with his personnel during the Super Bowl contender years and is actually a shit coach.

You're smoking crack. Seattle will win the NFC West easily and enter the playoffs as the #1 or #2 seed.
Wilson had a high ankle sprain in the very first game last year that probably should have cost him half the season. He couldn't run, couldn't plant to throw. Couldn't do shit. I believe he's the only QB in the league that could have played through it. We were still a playoff team.
He's healthy now. Seattle will be significantly better this year.

[Hugh]

I also think it's weird when people say things like "Not to shit on the Seahawks" right before shitting on the Seahawks, or try to sound objective when it's clear their criticism is emotionally driven.
I mean how can you say Pete Carroll is a shit football coach when he's won championships at both the college and pro level? How? How am I supposed to take that comment seriously? How is anyone?
And how can you say Seattle is a bad team who just got lucky when they've won at least 10 games and been in the playoffs each of the last 5 seasons including 2 Super Bowl appearances? What are you even talking about? I don't even believe you believe that. You might want it to be true, but that's something different.
It's ok to say fuck Pete Carroll and Russell Wilson and the Seahawks. It really is. People say it all the time now and I totally understand why. But saying that they all suck is just not true, and really pretty stupid.

[Da Gyps]

Doesn't have 5+ super bowl wins, obviously a shit coach. :rolleyes:

[Hulky]

Pete's coaching tree went to the SB last year too (Dan Quinn), and he has two DCs Gus Bradley on the Chargers and Ken Norton Jr on the Raiders. Pete's 4-3 Under is my favorite scheme ever, and Shanahan/Gibbs ZBS attack is my favorite offense. Basically 49ers have my favorite scheme this upcoming year.

[Sanosuke]

I also think it's weird when people say things like "Not to shit on the Seahawks" right before shitting on the Seahawks, or try to sound objective when it's clear their criticism is emotionally driven.
I mean how can you say Pete Carroll is a shit football coach when he's won championships at both the college and pro level? How? How am I supposed to take that comment seriously? How is anyone?
And how can you say Seattle is a bad team who just got lucky when they've won at least 10 games and been in the playoffs each of the last 5 seasons including 2 Super Bowl appearances? What are you even talking about? I don't even believe you believe that. You might want it to be true, but that's something different.
It's ok to say fuck Pete Carroll and Russell Wilson and the Seahawks. It really is. People say it all the time now and I totally understand why. But saying that they all suck is just not true, and really pretty stupid.

Pete Carroll had the pedigree of USC's draw for recruits. If you watched any amount of college football you'd understand why that's significant.

And I literally have no vendetta against the Seahawks, and for you to say it's 'emotionally driven' is kind of funny. Who even said the Seahawks got lucky? I said /Pete Carroll/ got lucky. I think Russell Wilson is a good quarterback. I know why he had a down year. I just don't think they're going to be as competitive as people are saying they're going to be.

Winning 10 games a year when six of your games are against considerably weak division opponents doesn't bode well. If they swapped Divisions with the Patriots, they'd do the exact same in my mind. Seattle will probably make it to the Wild Card game for a third straight year, beat some other team that had a weak schedule, and then lose in the divisional round again. Seattle went 5-4-1 in 1 score games last year.

The 90's Braves made the playoffs 14 consecutive years but only won 1 world series. Making it to the playoffs a bunch is nice and all, but winning it all counts more, which is why the Patriots stretch over the past 5 years shits on all 31 other teams.

[Sanosuke]

The Seahawks are not going to have a running game and their best receiver is Jimmy Graham. Kearse as a starting WR is silly, which is why I said Russell Wilson should basically just throw the ball to himself all year.

[KBHoleN1]

I think it's more effective for the QB to just maintain possession of the ball and scramble, in that situation.

[Hulky]

Brett Favre's first NFL pass was to himself

[KBHoleN1]

His first pass was actually a pick-6 when he was with Atlanta. His first completion was to himself once he started with the Packers. He lost like 8 yards on the play - which speaks to my point about it being less efficient.

[Hugh]

The Seahawks are not going to have a running game and their best receiver is Jimmy Graham. Kearse as a starting WR is silly, which is why I said Russell Wilson should basically just throw the ball to himself all year.

Yes they will have a running game. Again, much of what they do on the ground is based off Wilson's ability and threat to run and he was completely unable to do that last year. He could barely scramble for half the season. If Wilson is healthy and mobile, the Seahawks will be able to run the ball. With anyone.
Baldwin is good. Graham is healthy. Kearse sucks but he's reliable and does the dirty work. They've got some young guys coming up, but it really doesn't matter. Russell will get the ball to whoever is on the field.
You're just wrong, Sano. Seattle will make the playoffs for the 6th season in a row. You'll see.

[Maverik]

making the playoffs and getting the 1 or 2 seed are two very different things

I highly doubt the latter will happen, but I do agree the former will

[Hugh]

I like their schedule.

[Maverik]

they do have one of the easiest

their team is also one of the worst, if not the worst, its been over the past years of success

[Hugh]

Really? What if they go back to the Super Bowl? Then will it be one of the best?
Even on paper there's every reason to believe they'll be better than last season. Who did they lose? Eddie Lacey should be a nice fit for Seattle's offensive style and, I'll say it again, Russell Wilson is healthy. People just don't appreciate what he was dealing with last season as far as injury, and he still threw for 4,200 yards.
Seattle will be one of the best teams in the league this year.

[Sanosuke]

Yes they will have a running game. Again, much of what they do on the ground is based off Wilson's ability and threat to run and he was completely unable to do that last year. He could barely scramble for half the season. If Wilson is healthy and mobile, the Seahawks will be able to run the ball. With anyone.
Baldwin is good. Graham is healthy. Kearse sucks but he's reliable and does the dirty work. They've got some young guys coming up, but it really doesn't matter. Russell will get the ball to whoever is on the field.
You're just wrong, Sano. Seattle will make the playoffs for the 6th season in a row. You'll see.

Lacy isn't even probably gonna start it looks like. Prosise didn't look that good either. And if the OLine is weaker, there isn't much of a threat for Wilson to scramble, and if Wilson has to scramble often, he'll risk injury again, which will once again make the team worse. Doug Baldwin had his very first 1k yard season. Hardly "with anyone he's good" status.

I'd expect a fan of the team to be super vehement though, something about emotions or whatever.

[Hugh]

It's logic, Sano. I'm telling you they're averaging 11 wins a season over the last 5 and you're telling me they might win 6.
I'm not going to argue whether or not Wilson might get hurt again if he has to scramble. That's silly. He scrambles. He might or might not get hurt, like any player.
The Seahawks have too much talent and experience, not to mention a favorable schedule, to call for a 6 win season or anything close to it. That's why I said it was stupid.

[Sanosuke]

I personally think the Cardinals are underrated and have a very fair chance at winning that Division.

[Hugh]

They are good, but Carson Palmer turns 38 this season. A fast decline has to be coming.

[Sanosuke]

As long as he holds up I think he'll be fine. He should probably retire after this year though. His arm strength is still good. Next draft will be good for QBs too for Arizona.

[The Professor]

The Seahawks will be dangerous if they can get homefield advantage. If not, then they'll lose pretty easily as we've seen the last 2 years against Carolina (they did make it close) and Atlanta.

I think Hugh is correct that if Wilson is healthy, they'll be better than last year, and they also have an easy schedule this year. That O-Line is suspect though. Curious how they deal with that over the course of the season, especially if they lose anybody else on it.

[Da Gyps]

Yes they will have a running game. Again, much of what they do on the ground is based off Wilson's ability and threat to run and he was completely unable to do that last year. He could barely scramble for half the season. If Wilson is healthy and mobile, the Seahawks will be able to run the ball. With anyone.
Baldwin is good. Graham is healthy. Kearse sucks but he's reliable and does the dirty work. They've got some young guys coming up, but it really doesn't matter. Russell will get the ball to whoever is on the field.
You're just wrong, Sano. Seattle will make the playoffs for the 6th season in a row. You'll see.

To be fair he did say the Seahawks would make the playoffs, and then lose in the divisional round.

[Da Gyps]

They are good, but Carson Palmer turns 38 this season. A fast decline has to be coming.

Not sure that he will survive. Seahawks will pimp slap that division imo.

[Sanosuke]

To be fair he did say the Seahawks would make the playoffs, and then lose in the divisional round.

To be fair I did start with 6 wins too.

[Hulky]

Didn't the Seahawks make the playoffs with 7 wins Pete's first year?

[The Butcher]

I liked this

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000834132/Torrey-Smith-s-first-catch-with-Eagles-goes-for-50-yard-TD

[Maverik]

defensive breakdowns are pretty fun for the offense

[Hugh]

Julian Edelman carted off the field. Spencer Ware just carted off also. The NFL needs to do something about these stupid fucking preseason games. I don't know what the answer is, but losing starters and stars for the season in these meaningless exhibitions is bad for everyone, not just the players.

[Maverik]

ugh

what will my team name be now

[manonfire101]

Pryority Express

[manonfire101]

Keen on Allen

[manonfire101]

Demaryius Targaryen

395

[manonfire101]

Game of Jones

[manonfire101]

manon is great

[bdog1321]

witten is still the man.

[Sanosuke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBuDoNl0XQI

I find this mildly amusing

[Hulky]

SO EXCITE RIGHT NOW
After the Fantasy Draft I went to family dinner, and the AC was broke in the restaurant so my fiance and I went to ice cream after and in front of us in line was Khalil Mack and his girlfriend.

[bludhoundz]

Thats sick

[bdog1321]

Sounds like the intro to a porno

[Maverik]

I hope that if Zeke's suspension gets reduced/lifted that this means the demise of Goodell

[Hulky]

that DeAndre Hopkins money tho
Fucking Carr/Khalil/Amari is going to be insane money back to back to back years

[bdog1321]

I hope that if Zeke's suspension gets reduced/lifted that this means the demise of Goodell

Is anyone surprised scumbag NFL got caught being scumbag nfl again? They were out to get him from the start, regardless of guilt or innocence. This proves it

At this point he shouldn't accept anything other than a complete exoneration from his suspension, and it looks like they're starting their full-court legal press with the NFLPA in anticipation of at least a few games being upheld. cowboys are going to war. We'll see how bulletproof Goodell really is after the nfl's most visible case of corruption in years.

[Maverik]

I don't think he can be exonerated at this point (there is still enough evidence against him), but I read something to the effect of them excluding the investigator who recommended no suspension.

Goodell chose the wrong circumstances to try to make an example of someone.

he's such a fucking buffoon

[bdog1321]

Yep. Don't get me wrong I still think Elliott is a douche

[Maverik]

would rather him be commissioner over Goodell

#zeke4commish

[Hugh]

Goodell is a fucking asshat. He couldn't trip and fall into a good decision.
There's no justice that can be done at this point concerning Goodell. No way to balance the scales. Not really. They could strip him naked and make him do a walk of shame through a packed Cowboys stadium and he'd still smile and try to give bro hugs all the way to the bank. He's already made a vomitous amount of money to do a job a trained ape could do, and so far has managed to fuck up basically every task. He can't even hit a free throw. I think it's an embarrassment.

Seahawks just traded Jermaine Kearse to the Jets for Sheldon Richardson. I think that's a great deal for Seattle. Richardson might actually be good on this defense.

[Gryph]

Just wait till he gets a DUI with automatic weapons in his car again.

[Da Gyps]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DImsMpsUIAA5Kln.jpg

[Mantis]

Zeke has been acting like a complete dumbass ever since he left Ohio State and needs to grow up with all the little dumb shit he does, but it is pretty obvious that the NFL is going after him to try to help their image with regards to domestic violence, even though all evidence points to the contrary.

[bdog1321]

This single cutdown experiment is a lot more exciting than usual!

[Hugh]

Zeke has been acting like a complete dumbass ever since he left Ohio State and needs to grow up with all the little dumb shit he does, but it is pretty obvious that the NFL is going after him to try to help their image with regards to domestic violence, even though all evidence points to the contrary.

You think the little dumb shit he does is the problem? You think the little dumb shit he does is the reason the NFL is going after him?
Or do you think it's because he beat the shit out of his girlfriend?

[bdog1321]

you heard it here, elway's lost his mind

[manonfire101]

Ya, not super excited about getting rid of Ward. In fact I'm pretty bummed.

[bdog1321]

You think the little dumb shit he does is the problem? You think the little dumb shit he does is the reason the NFL is going after him?
Or do you think it's because he beat the shit out of his girlfriend?

let's get something cleared up: the nfl doesn't give a fuck if guys beat the shit out of their girlfriends. hell, goodell probably beats his wife. goodell was just fine with players getting concussions and CTE and offing themselves before it went public and there was backlash. goodell was just fine giving rice a slap on the wrist and not suspending brown at all (if i remember correctly)before their cases publicly blew up and there was backlash.

goodell doesn't give a FUCK about ANYTHING other than money and the nfl's public image. going after zeke was less about him [allegedly]beating the shit out of his girlfriend, and ALL about a marketing a PR plan. mantis is correct.

[Hulky]

NFL 100% would rather Zeke didn't get in trouble.
I dunno why you think otherwise.

[bdog1321]

NFL 100% would rather Zeke didn't get in trouble.
I dunno why you think otherwise.

i think this is obviously false

[Burnout278]

Ya, not super excited about getting rid of Ward. In fact I'm pretty bummed.

But manowhore it is Okay! You are getting your savoir Brock Osweiler back! Rather they are going to aggressively go after him. Someone please explain?

[Hulky]

Osweiller is worth it for vet min.
Paxton Lynch and Chad Kelly are hurt so they needed a back up for Siemian to start the season.

[Hugh]

Bdog, Roger Goodell is an incompetent, bro-hugging buffoon. He's a yes man for the owners. He's not Adolf Hitler.
My wife has met him half a dozen times. My brother used to organize a CEO convention Goodell regularly attended and has spoken to him many times. Both say he's a very nice and personable man who people like to be around. That's absolutely not the case for everyone with money and power.
Of course he's not fine with domestic violence. Of course he's not fine with players killing themselves and getting career ending and life threatening injuries. Grow up.
He's a shitty commissioner, not Dr. Evil.

[Mantis]

You think the little dumb shit he does is the problem? You think the little dumb shit he does is the reason the NFL is going after him?
Or do you think it's because he beat the shit out of his girlfriend?

I think all the dumb little shit he does is part of HIS problem, not necessarily the problem the NFL has with him. As for beating the shit out of his girlfriend, it's already been proven that she was trying to make shit up and have her friend go along with it so she could get money. There's texts to prove that. Now I'm not saying that he's 100% innocent on the domestic abuse front. Maybe he did SOMETHING that he shouldn't have, but not to the extent that she's claiming.

Either way, it's the whole body of work that has me personally being fed up with Zeke. He needs to grow up and realize that he has the potential to be a great NFL running back for a long time and make a shit ton of money if he doesn't fuck up.

[bdog1321]

Bdog, Roger Goodell is an incompetent, bro-hugging buffoon. He's a yes man for the owners. He's not Adolf Hitler.
My wife has met him half a dozen times. My brother used to organize a CEO convention Goodell regularly attended and has spoken to him many times. Both say he's a very nice and personable man who people like to be around. That's absolutely not the case for everyone with money and power.
Of course he's not fine with domestic violence. Of course he's not fine with players killing themselves and getting career ending and life threatening injuries. Grow up.
He's a shitty commissioner, not Dr. Evil.

He does a job and his job is to be Dr. Evil. I'm not saying he's Hitler incarnate. He is just doing his job. Which requires him to be Hitler incarnate.

[Hugh]

No it isn't and no it doesn't. You're coming at it all wrong.
His job requires him to be a horse's ass, not Hitler.

[The Butcher]

That maturity though


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2731194-cleveland-police-wont-hold-american-flag-at-browns-opener-over-anthem-protests?iid=ob_homepage_deskrecommended_pool

[KBHoleN1]

Anyone interested in a Pick'Em league this year? I know we've been dwindling for a while now. I can set it up on ESPN if people want to participate.

[Lex]

Anyone interested in a Pick'Em league this year? I know we've been dwindling for a while now. I can set it up on ESPN if people want to participate.
I'm pretty sure we already have one on ESPN. I think gryph owns it.

[Sanosuke]

Gypsy owns it. I can get the link to it when I get off work. Password is the same. FREEMANTIS

[Hulky]

Buccaneers and Dolphins now have a week 1 bye.
Then they now play week 11 (their old bye), so 16 weeks in a row.

I bet this fucks up some fantasy stuff.

[Maverik]

my week 1 match-up just got real easy

[Hulky]

I can't remember if DraftKings was this thread or fantasy, but I did the free billion contest and a $333 one
#yolo just doing this one week

[Hugh]

I was just listening to Mike and Mike make their Super Bowl picks. Greenie picked Seattle over KC, Golic picked Seattle over NE. Wise men.

[The Butcher]

hang on...

didn't they have a huge blow up after getting separated by ESPN? or something? i thought they were long gone

[Hugh]

Don't think so. I think this is the last year of them doing the show together but it's still on for now.

[Hugh]

Yeah, Butch, you're right. I was just looking it up. I guess they did. They're still doing the show, though. Sounds like it'll be officially over in November.

[bludhoundz]

Anyone here think the Chiefs will win?

[Hulky]

I think they lose by at least 20

[bdog1321]

Holy shit...there's football tonight

[Hugh]

There's football tonight!!

[Da Gyps]

Anyone here think the Chiefs will win?

Not really.


I think they lose by at least 20

Lol Raiders fans.

[Hugh]

Anyone here think the Chiefs will win?

I do. I'm fucking calling it right now.
The Patriots will begin their disappointing 2017 season tonight by losing to the Chiefs. I'm not going to pretend I have any good reason other than the Patriots have to have a disappointing season eventually. Right?
They have to eventually, right?

[bdog1321]

I do. I'm fucking calling it right now.
The Patriots will begin their disappointing 2017 season tonight by losing to the Chiefs. I'm not going to pretend I have any good reason other than the Patriots have to have a disappointing season eventually. Right?
They have to eventually, right?

Agreed

Fuck the patlice

[bdog1321]

Hunt looks fantastic outside of the fumble. Ware injury may have been the best thing to happen to the chefs offense

[Lex]

Hunt looks fantastic outside of the fumble. Ware injury may have been the best thing to happen to the chefs offense

Just wait until they adapt and start a QB that is able to use the forward pass.

[The Professor]

Justin Houston and Eric Berry are fucking awesome. Edelman being hurt helps though.

[Maverik]

'use the forward pass' might be the best thing ever posted in any football thread ever

[Hugh]

I'm unfamiliar with this forward pass scheme. Is it new?

[Maverik]

I think the colored folk utilize it.

[Hugh]

The Patriots had Danny Whitehead, like the only white running back in the NFL.
Now they have another white running back...Rex Burkhead.
Whitehead and Burkhead? Are you fucking kidding me? Also there are like 6 white receivers in the league and 5 of them are on the Patriots.

[Hugh]

Also, their black running back is named White.
Coincidence? I think not.

[Sanosuke]

Woodhead*

[manonfire101]

What in the fuck? Alex Smith evolved into Peyton Manning and learned passing yards.

[bdog1321]

I don't even care if Hogan is sucking. This is delicious.

[Hugh]

Woodhead*

Yes, thanks.
I totally called this Chiefs win by pure luck and accident, by the way.

[Hulky]

49ers should try and trade for Alex Smith, he's the franchise saver they need to save this season.

[Sanosuke]

INB4 FIRST THING ON ESPN "TIME FOR TOM BRADY TO RETIRE?"x

[Da Gyps]

Justin Houston and Eric Berry are fucking awesome. Edelman being hurt helps though.

Looks like Berry is done for the year which sucks majorly. He had a great game.


What in the fuck? Alex Smith evolved into Peyton Manning and learned passing yards.

Dude was dropping bombs downfield. Hill, Hunt and Kelce are all fantastic. The rest of the skill position players are "good enough".

[manonfire101]

Berry being done is a fucking shame. I like that guy a lot.

Congrats on the win, bro.

[Da Gyps]

Oh shit, good guy Derek Carr.

Derek Carr‏Verified account @derekcarrqb

I really hope Eric Berry is alright! Praying for you bro! Amazing competitor and amazing person!

[3000 stat]

Pats still go like 12-4 and make atleast the afc championship.

[Sanosuke]

KC basically just fucked it up for the next 15 weeks worth of opponents left for Patriots. Now everyone has to deal with pissed off Brady

[bdog1321]

40 year old brady*

[Hulky]

"9:10: Tyreek Hill, Lannister bastard, catches Alex Smith's first pass. Not a surprise.

9:11: I suppose I should explain. Hill is the bastard name of Casterly Rock (like Snow is for Winterfell). And Tyreek sounds like Tywin and Tyrion - i.e. a Lannister name - hence, Tyreek Hill is a Lannister bastard. He could be one of Tyrion's illegitimate children."
- Walter Football, Read more at http://walterfootball.com/blog2017kickoff.php#B4LALoclTCiX64XI.99

[KBHoleN1]

There's also this 538 predictions game if anyone wants some extra fun. You can set your confidence percentage for each matchup (similar to what ELO does), and it tends to penalize you more heavily for a loss, so sliding heavy on favorites is unwise.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nfl-predictions-game/

You slide the confidence meter for each game and try to beat their ELO projections. If you sign in it tracks your progress the whole year and we could report on our success.

[bdog1321]

O HELL yeah

[manonfire101]

Happy Friday, bdog... Enjoy your climax.

[Maverik]

Antonio Cromartie just had his 14th kid

3 of which have come after he had a vasectomy

I'm not sure if I'm impressed or appalled.

[Hugh]

He fucks

[Burnout278]

Antonio Cromartie just had his 14th kid

3 of which have come after he had a vasectomy

I'm not sure if I'm impressed or appalled.

Appalled because he can't name them. That was at like 10 or something. Dude is going to be broke so fast once he retires.

[Da Gyps]

Appalled because he can't name them. That was at like 10 or something. Dude is going to be broke so fast once he retires.

Might already be broke. Lol.

[Darkness]

Does anybody have the Pick'Em link? I skimmed the last several pages and didn't see it.

[Hulky]

http://games.espn.com/nfl-pigskin-pickem/2017/en/group?groupID=39741

I think?

I clicked rejoin a bunch of times and it wouldn't add me though so I'm out.

[Hulky]

Looks like Tony Romo is doing the Titans Raiders game, hope he's good

[KBHoleN1]

I tried to join the Pick Em league on Chrome and the buttons didn't work. Switched to Firefox and everything worked.

[Hulky]

Oh snap our cheesy local TV lawyer fucking put out an ad burning Mark Davis on TV right before the game hahahha


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPLiwMwcAro