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So we all agree the Pats have no fans outside of New England yes?
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Originally Posted by The Cheat
Bandwagoners count as fans? the success has bandwagon fans all over.
People who do that need to go to hell and don't count.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulky
Lots of people who have never set foot in New England are Patriots fans. I call them The Brady Bunch. They started rooting for them when the Patriots started winning. Only because they started winning. Not before, and definitely not if they go back to just a normal team again( when Belichick and Brady are gone). Another type of scumbag likes the Patriots because they have an unusual number of white position players and have for a while. White RBs like Whitehead and Burkhead, and lots of white recievers over the years. Edelman, Amendola, Welker, Hogan, Gronk.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Cheat
Closet racists like them for that reason too, whether they admit it or not.
They are spineless, gutless worms with no souls.
None of this applies to actual Patriot fans who are simply rooting for their home team like the rest of us. They’re just living the dream we all ( sports fans) dream of.
Raiders fan was holding a sign that said "I missed my court date for this game."
Never change, Oakland. Never change.
Fucking awesome game. Just beat the Chargers and Im happy with the season.
I'm not sure I've ever heard Derek Carr speak before. How does he have that accent? He grew up in Cali, moved to Texas for like 4 years when David was drafter by the Texans, then back to Cali for his senior year. How does he have such a twangy southern accent? he almost sounds like Favre from freaking Mississippi. Does 4 years of Texas give you that, or is Bakersfield some weird place with lots of Deep South folks?
Bakersfield is southern ish, its def farm culture/Christianity vibes that a lot of the South has. It's kinda like the big city of the central valley which is a huge farming area. There is a mountain range separating from LA and "SoCal" and the Bay Area is insulated by large hills. So like Stockton to Bakersfield is central valley, then Sacramento north is another area.
Troy Aikman was a mediocre QB and a shitty color commentator and he looks like an Sith Lord who just smoked a bowl at all times.
And he’s a national treasure who wins everything he does.
Selling your soul is real.
Absolutely agree with the Bengals benching Andy Dalton. It’s not that Dalton can’t play, but they need to move on. Start over with a new QB. They’ve tried it with Dalton long enough. He probably needs a fresh start too.
he was no tony romoQuote:
Originally Posted by Hugh
Hey, sorry, meant to get back to this but just forgot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh
So I'm with you on the "so what?" part. I totally agree with that. In my opinion they shouldn't be so obsessed with the injuries in football. I know you know I don't like football but I'm a fighter, it's the same thing with that. It's fighting. It's supposed to be violent. Don't get into MMA or football if you don't want injuries, you're a grown ass man, and you know exactly what you're signing up for. Nobody is making you do it. I fought professionally from 18 to 25. At no point was I like "this is unfair it's not safe." I was choosing to step into a cage or ring with people I know are capable of killing me. Same with putting on football pads and choosing to step onto a field with other dudes that are so athletic and big they're going to hit you like a mac truck. You know what you're signing up for, you know you can very likely get brain damage. It'd be no different than going into the military and being like "this isn't safe we need to figure this out better."
So what I'm asking is in a vacuum. I know this will never happen, nor do I care if it does or expect it to. It won't ever happen, we both know that. It's just an interesting question.
You said you've never heard this posed before, but it's been a big topic of discussion. With all of the CTE stuff and head injuries, tons of medical personnel have suggested going the rugby route and eliminated pads. They've been pouring money into developing safer helmets in the NFL because the brain injury rate is so high. I actually was in medic school with Junior Seau killed himself and asked for his brain to be donated to science, so we talked about it a lot (I know tons of about CTE too if any of you want me to explain it in depth and what it is exactly).
The argument is that if you eliminated pads, the players would be more reserved and not hit each other as hard. Which is why rugby has less traumatic injury. You and I could put on pads and run at each other as hard as possible over and over. If you and I ran at each other as hard as we could without pads we'd be insanely injured. Which is just a fact. So there's been doctors involved with the CTE research that have proposed the best thing you could do is eliminate pads and go the way of hurling, Irish Rules Football, rugby, etc.
I don't think this should happen, or that there's even a remote possibility it would ever happen, nor do I want it to happen. Like I said, they're grown ass men that are signing up for this. All I'm saying is, I think those doctors are right. If you wanted to make football safer eliminating pads probably would be the best way to do it. A really good similarity is how boxing has way more brain injury and WAY more deaths than MMA. Like WAAAAY more deaths than MMA. They have huge padded gloves, and because of that, there's not nearly as much clean knockouts. So they just bludgeon each other over and over and they take way more trauma. Whereas if they weren't wearing huge gloves they'd knock each other out instead of hitting each other in the head recklessly over and over.
Just an interesting topic I suppose. It would obviously massively change the game, probably to the point that it would be unrecognizable. And like I said, I don't think they ever would even consider doing it. I'm asking from a medical standpoint, to me it makes sense and probably would make the game safer.
If you look at rugby as a comp, then sure. Removing pads from football would decrease trautic brain injury and major injuries. But a huge part of football, especially now, is the passing game. Football is not played solely in the trenches, like it used to be, and like rugby mostly is. Quarterbacks regularly throw for 300 or 400 yards a game now. It’s common. I don’t know what removing pads and helmets would do to those inevitable collisions that occur when multiple people are you going for the football on deep or over the middle passes. I don’t know how it would effect kick and punt returns either but if they were going to remove pads in an effort to make football safer then I’m sure kick returns would be eliminated also.
It would need to stay American football, not rugby 2.0. Americans don’t care about rugby. I think the data is in on that. I’m sure players would adjust to no pads and helmets and make the necessary changes if the league was committed, and eventually there would a game with more superficial injuries, bumps and bruises and black eyes, but fewer traumatic and long term injuries.
Having said ALL of that, no. I don not think that blueprint or plan would work or be successful. I don’t think the money or interest would be there to do it. Not saying nobody would watch ( there’s someone who will watch anything ) but the NFL would not “survive” it in my opinion.
At the end of the day, if NASCAR drivers raced riding lawnmowers, then NASCAR would be safer. No question. But it would not be better.
Those are a lot of awesome points Hugh. Points I admittedly didn't consider. Like I said, my question is more from a medical standpoint than a football standpoint.
The thing that's super interesting about football, and this is coming from someone who isn't a football fan, is how much the game evolves regularly. I don't think it's unfair to say the passing game today is nothing like how football was played even twenty years ago. The running game was much more prolific in the eighties (and correct me if I'm wrong). The only personal comparison I can draw is fighting, again. And I know you love fighting. If you watch early UFC it's nothing like it is now. It evolves as athletes find out better ways to do things and rules change.
Again I'm not approaching this topic from a fan stance, it's simply from an objective medical stance. I think you get what I'm saying though. Boxing would likely be safer if they could wear smaller gloves and knock each other out quicker. Which will never happen. The NFL would likely be safer if they could eliminate pads and force the players to think more about what they're doing.
Oh definitely. I’d say the evolution of football in the last 20 is just as dramatic as MMA, and I can’t think of another sport even in the conversation. It’s totally different.
If you look at the top 20 all time passing yards in a season, 19 of them have happened since 2011. Dan Marino somehow passed for 5,000 yards in 1984 but nobody did it again for almost 30 years. 2 QBs did it last year, and a 3rd was less than 100 yards short.
So yeah, football isn’t the clawing and scratching for every inch game it once was, and what I think rugby still largely is. I know rugby has evolved too but doesn’t have the air attack stuff that the NFL has pretty much built their whole model around now. Running backs used to be the stars of the league and not that long ago. Not anymore.
And yes I do get whet you’re saying. If they actually took all pads and helmets out of football but continued to play, the game and players would adjust and ultimately it would be safer and there would be fewer traumatic injuries I’m sure.
And the league would probably have like 6 teams and they’d show the games at 10pm on Tuesday nights after reruns of Walker Texas Ranger. :)
Lots of upsets yesterday which is quite odd.
It’s literally like the Seahawks don’t want to win the game. Could have sealed it like 4 times. Absolutely absurd.
Great game though.
I can’t believe that game, TO. Most painful game I’ve watched in a long time.
Until the end.:)
Go Hawks!!
Insanely poor kick at the end, but props to that kicker for the late lead, then late tie kicks from ~45 out to get to OT in the first place. When Russ threw that OT INT I thought it was going to the house, then that poor kick. Then the stop of the Seattle O and a punt and the 49ers should have run at least a run play. The Seahawks had no TO and if you run the clock even a bit it almost eliminates a Seattle chance at a victory completely (surely 8-0-1 makes losing the division race to Seattle a pain). Now it's 8-1 to 8-2 I think right? Jimmy throwing those two shitty passes to the reserve TE instead of even eating a sack and killing time was oof to me, but maybe I'm wrong.
Oh yeah I totally agree with that. Nobody would watch it, it wouldn't even be the same sport. It'd be unrecognizable. I just think they're right, it would probably be much safer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh
Like I said, I was in medic school when Junior killed himself and asked them to donate his brain to science for CTE research. The NFL definitely fucked up in a PR sense denying it was a thing, I don't think that's even debatable. It was like how the military denied PTSD existed for decades. Now they're scrambling to to engineer better helmets, etc.
Now I don't think they should try to stop making safer gear. We agree the game would be safer with no padding but that's obviously never going to happen. And they should absolutely continue to make better helmets and whatnot. In my opinion though, what they should do is work on educating new players.
You're going onto a field with extremely athletic, freakish men who are going to literally run into you as fast as you can. You're young and right out of college and probably not that mature (not exactly what I would say to them). We want to make sure that you understand you could get significant brain damage.
That's what you're signing up for. Like I said, it'd be like if I went into the military and was like "we need to make getting shot safer." Or if like when I was a fighter competitively and was like "we need to find a better way to get punched in the head." I'd say the best thing to do would be to educate kids as soon as they get into football, just like when I got into fighting, on exactly what they're signing up for. If you want to do it, cool. But you're going to take a beating.
Yeah, I didn't understand the three passes. Playing for a tie is a reasonable outcome at that point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulky
Pretty sure I told Hugh last week that Seattle was going to win.
I hate being right sometimes.
I love it when you’re right, TC.
excellent game last night
worth it to stay up
congrats on the W, Hugh. Wilson for mvp
All the shit that's coming out about what's his face who came here and left because he was a creep that's coming out is hilarious. The news has been nuts. Dude was a grade A psycho.
So annoying they flexed Seahawks/Eagles out of SNF. Is the SF/GB game really going to have that BETTER of ratings?
Right. I mean it’s not like they’re flexing out Bengals/Dolphins. Seahawks/Eagles is a hell of a matchup. Both teams fighting for their division. Two great QBs. Of course I’m biased but it’s still true. Whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greendaybum5
GB/SF might get better ratings I guess but every NFL fan was going to watch the other game too.
i'd rather see seahawks eaglesQuote:
Originally Posted by Hugh
49ers are going to stomp the packers
David Carr just released an article that is teams that don't yet have their 2020 QB.
He listed the following teams: Panthers, Bears, Bengals, Dolphins, Buccaneers
Does that imply Tannehill gets a year with the Titans? That seems wrong to me, like maybe a year as a bridge Qb but surely they take a QB right? Also Winston gets a second chance somewhere I'd think. Also implies Brady doesn't retire. Baker Mayfield low key has been one of the worst QBs this year, but last years hype probably carries him to a third year.
Going to be a crazy offseason like the new QB for Bears, Panthers, potentially Buccs, and Titans could be a good team. Patriots gotta think future QB which pushes the round 2/3 QBs to mid firsts prolly as you can't really wait.
tannehill has been too good not to give a shot to. makes you wonder what the real problem always was in miami
With Winston I just don’t know that any team is going to sign up for that many turnovers. The Bucs have a lot of talent. They should be a good team and their record sucks simply because Winston can’t take care of the football. He’s always thrown a lot of picks but this year he has 12 in 8 games. It’s getting worse. For his price, I wouldn’t touch him.
You can have the best plan in the world and it all goes up in flames when your QB keeps throwing the ball to the other team.
I also agree if this continues with Tannehill, the Titans won’t be looking for a QB next year, but that’s kind of a no-brainer. Question is will it continue? I don’t think so.
Ryan Fitzpatrick has been the starting QB for 8 different NFL teams, which is ridiculous and stupid.
I hope he gets to 10 for some reason.
Yet he keeps getting paid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh
Between Josh McCown and Ryan Fitzpatrick they have been on:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh
Jets (both)
Bills
Dolphins
Buccaneers (both)
Panthers
Rams
Cardinals
Bengals
Browns
Titans
Texans
Lions
Bears
Raiders
Eagles
Almost half the league lol.
Then there is Josh fucking Johnson if you remember him from Tampa.
Josh Johnson has signed with the
1) Buccaneers (hilariously under Gruden)
2) 49ers
3) Browns
4) Bengals
5) Jets
6) Colts
7) Bills
8) Ravens
9) Giants
10) Jaguars
11) Texans
12) Raiders (and back with Gruden outlasting the entire MNF phase)
13) Redskins
and this year was on his 14th NFL team the Lions lol
Had no idea Josh Johnson has been in the league that long and with that many teams. That’s crazy.
He’s only started 8 games in his career, though, 5 with Tampa Bay and 3 with Washington. So it’s not like he plays. He must run a good practice drill or something.
Why flex out Hawks Eagles for Niners Packers when we're stuck with Bears Rams this week? That's going to be a fucking awful game. These dumbfucks are flexing out the wrong game. Make Pats Eagles the SNF game this week. Jeez.
I dunno if you guys watch Flemlo Raps on Youtube but he does a lot of "what happened to ____ player" videos and did one I liked on Raiders safety Erik Harris' journey to the NFL.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhOg88D3s0I
A hero.
When the Bengals heard the TAO community was saying the Dolphins were by far the worst team in football earlier this season, they all got together and said “Who Dey?”