I mentioned Jameis Winston turning the ball over more than ever this season. Today he had 4 more interceptions.
Like I said, I don’t know what team is going to sign up for that.
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I mentioned Jameis Winston turning the ball over more than ever this season. Today he had 4 more interceptions.
Like I said, I don’t know what team is going to sign up for that.
Before this week there were two games this season where a QB threw 4 or more interceptions. Jameis had a 5-pick game Week 6 against Carolina. Sam Darnold threw 4 in Week 7 against New England.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh
This week, Jameis, Mason Rudolph, and Kyle Allen have all thrown 4 picks.
What are Mason Rudolph and Kyle Allen making compared to Winston?
Hey there aren’t a lot of great starting QBs and some are just plain bad, but Winston is a former #1 overall pick making $20 million this year and his team should be in the playoff hunt. He’s the only reason they aren’t.
I’m just saying for what he’s going to ask I don’t know what team will want him. Just my opinion.
God I hope Cincy goes 0-16. For the lulz.
2 questions.
1) Do you think kickers are getting worse? Seems like they obviously are but maybe I’m wrong.
2) If yes, why would that be? Or how?
Seems like they're getting worse from shorter ranges, not longer. Maybe they're practicing boomer field goals too much, or maybe they're just a bunch of snowflake pussies who crumble under pressure like the rest of us filthy millennials
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3fVj8A-K8EQuote:
Originally Posted by bdog1321
Well the extra point rule change a few years ago made the distance increase a little, so it's a little harder. I don't think in general kickers are missing that much more. Like the elite accuracy guys like Justin Tucker and Robbie Gould are still who they were minus Gould being injured but last few years.
Steven Hauschka has kinda fallen off from his time in Seattle to his time in Buffalo but like it's his 50+ yard attempts that have become ass. Being in Buffalo and being older kinda explains that a bit.
Maybe kickers in general are a bit worse but like the really fucking good ones are so old now like a Vinatieri kinda sucks this year but he is like 45 years old.
Being a kicker is less about ability than mentality.
You come on the field like, a few times a game maybe. Almost every time you do is a high pressure moment. One fuckup and people call for your head. But if you make 10 in a row, rarely are your praises sung. I think the freebie extra points gave kickers more confidence, and moving it back leading to more misses is a psychological struggle on actual field goal attempts.
I also think that the general NFL coaching body is "old school" and don't know the right way to coach a kicker. Sure, they know how to tell them the right form and whatever. But the mental aspect of the kicking game is unlike any other position. You tell a QB to have a short memory, but that's easier because even if they throw a pick, they're probably gonna get like 15-20 more pass attempts in the game after that. A kicker might miss one and not attempt another kick til next week, so it lingers. Combine this with the longer XP, and also a higher expectation for kickers. I think more is expected now since you have guys drilling 60 yarders sometimes, that they should be making 50s consistently. I feel like back in the day (well hey I didn't watch football super long ago), if you made a 46 yarder you done damn good.
Also, coaches tend to lean on their kickers to bail them out in tough situations. Instead of taking a risk and trying to move the ball closer, a lot of coaches will play towards that 50+ yard field goal at the end of a game. Like, oh all we have to do is reach the 35 and we're in field goal range, so that's all we're going to shoot for, then it's your fault if you don't make a pressure kick from the edge of your range. And if you miss a couple of those we're going to cut you.
Also, pertinent article I saw a few days ago about NFL kicking:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...re-struggling/
This says field goal rate is at its lowest since 2003. And even the PAT is at its lowest success rate since the spot was moved back in 2015.
Let's just get rid of kicking.
Yeah I thought about something like this after I made the post.Quote:
Originally Posted by KBHoleN1
Commentators talk like this and I think coaches share the mindset "well if we go for it on 4th down and don't get it we get 0 points, but we can just take the 3." As if the 3 is automatic.
Rams getting completely humiliated.
My vote which doesn't count has changed from Russell Wilson to Lamar Jackson for MVP. It could still change back but this version of the Ravens is too devastating right now. Looking forward to next week's matchup against the 49ers
I agree. I was excited when Russ was the front runner but Lamar has pretty much blown past him these last 2 weeks and rightfully so. Lamar Jackson is the most dominant force in the league right now.
it's amazing he can have a stat line like against the rams with 169 passing yards but 5 fucking passing TDs. Obviously he had about 100 rushing and the entire run game went ham, but fuck that score on demnad stuff is MVP worthy -- and like Wilson it's without that Julio Jones/Michael Thomas whatever dominant force to funnel it to.
WTF happened to the Rams? So good last year and now shit? What gives?
Belichick destroyed their offense in the Super Bowl by taking the run away with a 6-1 defense and Goff sucks balls at play action, and now everyone does the same thing. McVay is a good football mind and motivator obviously to be a head coach that young, but he is REALLY young after all and hasn’t figured out how to adapt yet. He’s facing a lot of adversity and the team is struggling. We’ll see how he responds. Maybe he doesn’t have the whiskers to pull them out of a tailspin. He probably will eventually.
When you get pantsed in the SB like they did most teams have a hangover year. It’s a big blow. Players still play but they lose faith sometimes, in themselves or the coach or the team. Maybe all of it. The Rams could NOT adjust in that Super Bowl. McVay was lost. I think that has a big effect.
Also their o line played out of its mind for like 90% of last season and they suck this year. You saw the holes Gurley ran through last year? He just had free fucking lanes and a sprinter's speed to get to the edge and take it the distance.
Yes. I heard somewhere Goff is like the worst starting QB in the league off play action and also the worst ( or one of the worst ) against man coverage this season. He has more INTs than TDs this year. Lots of yards but lots of them are garbage time.
Obviously Goff can operate very well in a specific system and when things are going well, but when you’re talking NFL starting QBs who can’t?
Russell Wilson plays well with a run game or without. With a decent line or without. With a great defense ( which he’s mostly had ) or a suspect one, like this year. His numbers are consistent every year, and he’s piled up more wins in his first 8 years than any QB ever. Ever.
That’s me on my soap box for Russell Wilson. I’ve been critical of him at times, mostly because I haven’t always understood what I was watching, but he truly is great. Incredible really.
But Lamar is the MVP.
Yeah it's becoming clear dak is the best qb from the 2016 draft
So moral of the story is once you lose to Pats in the SB, you are fucked for awhile.
God damn I hate them so much.
CMC has to be up there in mvp race tho
I agree. I’d take Dak over Wentz or Goff no question. I’d take Dak over most QBs for that matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by bdog1321
I still stand by what I said about Zeke over Dak at the start of the year. I stand by it in the sense that, to that point, Dak hadn't showed me that he was gonna lead by example and put the team on his back. He was usually efficient and didn't have a lot of turnovers (which I still partially attribute to having a good o line), but when Zeke was out the splits were pretty serious. But now he looks like the most important player on the team and they should pay him whatever
Hey the offense that everyone told me was a gimmick when RG3 was tearing up the league in 2012 is tearing up the league in 2019. It's almost like its core concept is about forcing the defense to play in a way that heavily shifts the balance of power toward the offense.
It's simple math. On a conventional run play the QB does nothing but hand the ball over so it's 10 players on offense against 11 players on defense. When a team regularly uses the read option the QB is actually involved in the play which turns it into an 11v11 if they keep the ball or a 10v10 if they don't.
Because of the breakout year the pistol option based offenses had in 2012 teams have learned the optimal way to attack the mesh point on these plays. But even when executed flawlessly this doesn't really turn the play back into a 10v11. It's more like a 10.5v11.
The key of course is that for the offense to work you need a freak at QB and a RB who is exceptionally skilled at inside runs. The thing that makes the Ravens so scary is that Jackson makes 2012 RG3 look like just a guy. He's significantly faster but more importantly the way he can juke and spin and make people miss is like something out of a sports anime. I've never seen someone stop on a dime and then accelerate to full speed in a different direction the way he does.
I think Jackson will prove that this offense is not a gimmick and can have long term success because his vision and awareness is so much better than RG3's was. I don't see him taking a devastating hit because he always sees where the contact is coming from and protects himself. (Of course when this topic comes up it needs to be said that both devastating hits that derailed RG3's career came on passing plays)
Well obviously Lamar is a freak and a special player but there have been other college QBs with similar skill sets who weren’t given a chance to play QB in the NFL because nobody thought they could, or it wasn’t sustainable or realistic or whatever reason they gave. Lamar had to lobby pretty hard to remain a QB from what I heard and refused to run the 40 yard dash and participate in other drills at the combine, probably because he would have run like a 4.3 and everyone would have screamed “RUNNING BACK!!”
But the questions like “What if he gets hurt?” and “Can he do this at 32?” are starting to sound stupid. If he gets hurt he gets hurt, like any QB or player in the league period. Maybe he’s at a higher risk because of his playstyle but he might be at an even higher risk if he was forced to play the position differently than what comes natural.
As far as how long he can do this, I don’t know if Lamar can do this in his thirties, but I know he can do it in his twenties. He’s doing it right now, and the front runner to win the SB right now. And that’s what’s it’s all about. Think the Colts were thinking about Andrew Luck in his thirties? I bet they were, but he retired before he even got there. Nothing is for certain.
Nothing except the fact that Lamar is dominating the league right now, and proving to teams and hopeful future QBs that there’s not just one way to play the position. He’s doing it his way and blazing a trail and it’s awesome to watch.
And John Harbaugh is my favorite coach outside of Seattle. Jim is a weirdo and a prick but John is clearly the cool brother.
Troy Aikman had 165 TD and 141 INTs for 32, 942 yds over 12 NFL seasons. He completed 61.5% of his passes and had a career 81.6 passer rating. And that’s with the best offensive line in history, Emmitt Smith and Michael Irvin.
Those are not Hall of Fame stats. I know the game has changed dramatically but Aikman is extremely lucky to have been on one of if not the greatest team in history. He wasn’t that good.
Niners are 10-1...someone pinch me. Super stoked for Niners vs Ravens game on Sunday - hope it’s a close one.
Who was that 1 loss to, TO?
Oh I remember!!:)
I used to play poker with Larry Allen (he played guard on some of those mid 90s teams).Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh
Compare Troy Aikman with fellow HOFer Jim Kelly and it makes sense though. Jim Kelly had Thurman Thomas and 4 SB loses with 11 years 35467 yards 60.1% 237 TD 175 INT compared to Troy Aikman who had 12 years (but an exceptionally shitty winless rookie year) 3 SB wins (two against Jim Kelly) 32942 yards 61.5% 165 TD 141 INT.
Pretty similar careers.
Winning in an era featuring Joe Montana/Steve Young, Dan Marino, John Elway, Jim Kelly, Brett Favre counts a little extra I think. Like Eli is going to get massive bonus points for beating Brady twice when the rest of his career has a lot of "yeah okay" stats.
Yeah I know who Larry Allen is. Lol. Probably the greatest guard ever and one of the strongest human beings to ever live.
You played poker with him? Like regularly? That’s awesome.
How and why?
Is Garrett getting fired, bdog?
if he's not getting fired, he's getting murdered. booking my flight to dallas now
Sometimes QBs get old overnight. Seems like tonight is that night for Matt Ryan. All of a sudden he looks like an old man out there. Might be the end.
I look forward to watching the rematch in Seattle when the Niners play with their full offensive arsenal - Kittle’s gonna be a game changer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh
Looking forward to it too. The west is the best.
We have "casinos" in my town that are basically one table of poker, one table of blackjack and one of baccarat and he played the same time I did. I havent gone in a couple years, but we used to sit next to each other and he is a big man and always wears his SB ring lol. He lives in the town I went to HS, but my town is the closest with poker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh
Saw this stat today:
The Cowboys have scored more points than the Seahawks.
The Cowboys have allowed fewer points than the Seahawks.
The Cowboys have gained more yards than the Seahawks.
The Cowboys have allowed fewer yards than the Seahawks.
The Cowboys are 6-6, the Seahawks are 9-2.
Can't win close games against good teams, win big against bad teams. Over and over and over. The Seahawks have good coaching and a QB who makes clutch plays. The Cowboys don't.