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Mariners were up 9-3 on the Angels in the bottom of the 9th.
They gave up 7, lost 10-9. Off to a 1-6 start.
Here we go again.
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Originally Posted by Hugh
Saw that. Edwin Diaz just had nothing whatsoever.
Braves are in the same boat Hugh, don't worry.
Except the mariners have playoff aspirations :(
Tends to happen when you have a GM who prays to God that it's hit to either Cano, Segura, or Seager every play. Aside from those 3, and the exception of Dyson, that defense is shit tier with low Range Factors, which tends to give up quite a bit of hits. That and their catcher (Zunino) is just JP Arrencibia with even worse contact rate, tough winning games when you have an aging rotation and rolling out 8 guys in a lineup every day praying to god the 9th one decides to show up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spencer 555
Can't argue with that.
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Originally Posted by Gryph
Huh? Their OF defense is high level.
@Gryph, since you seem to know your stuff, how bad is our defense? (Washington)
I'm not big into defensive stats and go much more by the eye test but I'm pretty worried. Yesterday all four infielders had an error but I was worried before opening day and am willing to chalk yesterday up as a fluke.
The way I see it Rendon is a potential Gold Glove at 3B. Harper is about average fielding (which is bad because he has above average speed) but with an elite arm. Trea Turner has the talent to be elite eventually, but this will be his first time being an everyday SS at the major league level so I expect him to struggle a bit. Everyone else I expect to be below average. Werth is catastrophically slow. Eaton has been good for stretches but I'd bet he's not good. Daniel Murphy is Daniel Murphy. Ryan Zimmerman makes some flashy plays with the athleticism that let him play 3rd before his arm issues but he just doesn't have the years of experience it takes to be an elite 1B. Wieters is meh.
I'm pretty confident in my assessment that Werth, Murpy, and Zim will be below average but am I selling Wieters and Eaton short? Will they be decent?
Wieters is average defensively as a catcher. The Nats got him for his bat at the catching position though in my eyes since the market is so small for good hitting catchers. He's also not that bad of a framer iirc. He'll be a 15-20 HR guy for the Nats and that's what they needed. Adam Eaton is average defensively as well. Same situation for him though is that he's on the team because of his bat. Front office philosophy for the Nats is probably "we have a great rotation, won't need the defense as much as other teams so lets get bats at value prices."
just my 2 cents
I know you asked gryph, but I also wanted to throw my 2 cents in.
I think washington overall is either awful to slightly below average defensively. Harper is about as average as they come defensively in right field, Eaton Is a below average cfer but an elite RF like Heyward on the cubs. However, If you take werth out of the lineup, play taylor in centre, move harper to left and Eaton to RF, you would be well above average defensively in the outfield, but you have dusty baker managing so that isn't happening... also taylor has a hard time hitting the ball lol.
Infield might be an unsolvable problem though. At 1st, Zimmerman is below average for sure as a converted 3rd basemen with a long list of injuries. At 2nd base Daniel Murphy is known to be one of the worst in the league. At ss, Turner is debatable. He is not known for his defense at the position and advanced metrics didn't like him last year, but a lot of scouts think he can stick at ss. And finally, Rendon is probably you're only saving grace defensively if he stays healthy. Rendon is not necessarily known for his defense, but advanced metrics liked him last year at 3b, it's his natural position (I think) and last year was the first time he's had a really healthy year.
As for wieters, he's pretty average, but he isn't the best pitch framer.
Overall, you're definitely bottom ten defensively, with potential to be top 15 if taylor replaces Werth. Luckily that nats pitching staff is so good, and the bats are really really good if Harper can get back to being a stud.
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Originally Posted by Sanosuke
Wieters is average for arm and base running related reasons but I'm pretty sure he's a negative for pitch framing.
If you want to watch the Nats defense go ugly, I didn't see a ton of it but I know Roark started three consecutive innings with a lead-off infield error.
It's because Wieters can't catch breaking balls or two seamers, he'll stab catch them. Maldonado and Ramos did that for a while to. As for the older post (sorry was working) i say the Mariners defense is bad at times cause I watch some of their games when I get the chance like I do all teams, the problem with them is I notice they are slightly out of position at times and their OF tends to wander a little in random directions, which tends to screw with Range Factors and Catching%. Jarrod Dyson does that a lot, it's not entirely their fault though, that falls on the manager and scouting department, once April ends we'll be able to see if they fix the problem.Quote:
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Yeah I think the thing tho with the Mariners is that right now they have three guys who can probably play CF right now in that OF.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gryph
I think defensive metrics are eventually going to find that LF and RF are different beasts then CF and not all elite CFers can play the corners at the same elite level. Having 3 CFers isn't what it's hyped up to be really imo.
The Mariners outfield has been subpar defensively for a while. They tried to address it this season by adding Dyson and Haniger, but we'll see. Haniger should definitely be an upgrade in right over we've had since Ichiro left, but he's pretty raw. The other day he literally lost the game by dropping a ball with the bases loaded. He was on the run but it bounced right out of his glove. It was a pretty routine play that cleared the bases. And Gryph is right about Dyson. They say he's out of position a lot but makes up for it with speed.
But the Mariners are 3-8 because of bullpen struggles and inability to hit with runners in scoring position. That's been the story early, but it's still early.
I was just hoping I wouldn't be saying "it's still early" this early. :)
"Unbelievably classy move here by Greg Bird paying tribute to Jackie Robinson with his batting average. h/t @McCartyConnor"
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lol'd he's my 1B in fantasy and it's been tough so far
He'll come around. He needs to take a lessen from this years chase headley. If they throw outside, go outside, throw inside, move dem hips. He looks like he's up there pressing trying to pull one to the short porch to get himself started. It's weird, i don't know where this little hand hitch thing he's been doing has come from, but hopefully someone notices it and fixes it, cause he didn't have that last year. Last thing I want is Heyward 2.0 with the whole batting crap.
braves. ijs. 2-3 more years and we'll be playoff bound
Hard to say, if probably give it 3-5.
I think the jays should tank this year. If we can get good value for Bautista and Martin at the deadline, this could be a quick turnaround for the franchise. Really confident with some of our low minors prospects, vlad Jr and bo bichette appear to be superstars in the making.
Our FO has nailed the offseason and rebuilt our farm from the ground up. SUPER OPTIMISTIC result of this season is Wild Card. Realistic result is probably finishing around 75-87. Dansby won't breakout for another couple years but the experience he's gonna get this year will be super valuable, especially with Freeman looking out for him since he was in the same boat. I kinda hope we keep Inciarte, can deal with us trading Markakis for some great farm talent but I don't think they will. Ozzie Albies needs more ABs but will be the 2B of the future. Swanson, Ablies, and Freeman is a stellar infield. We have Kemp for two more years and will be done with him, which is good to have a nice power bat if the team inexplicably comes around ahead of schedule.Quote:
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Kobly Allard will be ready in about 2-3 years and projects to be a very strong #2 guy. Have another 3 arms in the minors that project to be starters in the next 3 years as well.
I expect us to start contending in 2019 with some offseason moves with all of our farm talent. I don't think the FO wants to squander Freeman's prime years. We have him signed through age 31(2021). I'd imagine they extend him through age 34 though.
For as long as the Braves' new stadium exists you must live with the knowledge that Bryce Harper hit the the first Grand Slam there.
Bryce Harper makes Teheran his bitch. I don't hate the Nationals like I hate the Phillies, if anything I respect how the Nationals have built - good pitching and good offense and slightly below average defense. The Nationals will probably go deep in the playoffs this year imo.
Ichiro homered in the 9th inning yesterday in what was probably his last at bat ever at Safeco. I was watching it and fans were giving him a standing o before he hit it. Definitely got chills. He turns 44 this year so chances are he's done.
What a player.
I saw the highlight of that. He walked back to the bench like he didn't believe it really happened. Didn't even look happy, just confused, haha. What a player, indeed.
ichiro is a treasure tbh
Harper is a monster. What happened to him last year? I know it's a silly question but I actually can't remember. I know he started last season just like this one, then either got hurt or started slumping because of an injury or something.
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Originally Posted by Hugh
Kluber had a CG shut out
This shit with Eric Thames is pretty funny. I remember him in Seattle 5 years ago, the last time he played in the majors. Looked like a textbook career minor leaguer. A softball player. It's incredible to come back after 5 years and do this, even if it's just a hot start and he turns back into a pumpkin in May.
I think he will soon honestly. I mean, the dude couldn't hit offspeed, went to Japan, learned how to do it there and returned. The problem is he's absolutely MASHING inside pitches / high / low middle, and is pretty ineffective on pitches low and away so far this season (i think his contact rate on low and away is like under .100 and he's chasing them to), so it's only a matter of time until the memo is out and they start pitching him low/away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh
It's either one of two scenarios :
A - He starts crowding the plate ala Rizzo and changes his stride and continues mashing
B - He start getting pitched around if no one is on base or 2 outs, his OBP will climb, but his avg will dip cause he'll see junk city until he can learn to hit it
Pitchers have been trying to pitch around him already actually. I'm believing the hype man. Dude has a great approach and big-time power.
I believe it to. But he has a legit weakness low/away, he can still drive it from there, but not as effective as what the Reds "Just keep jamming him" approach seems to be lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Spencer 555
Lol true the home run pace is obviously unsustainable. What u think he finishes with avg/obp wise and homer wise if u had to guess?
I think 260/350 with 30 bombs by the end of the season is his floor at this point honestly.
I saw Trea Turner for the Nats hit for the cycle. That's awesome. For some reason that's always been one of my favorite things in baseball.
the cycle is a great feat, probably one of my favorites too other than seeing guys stuff the stat sheet with something like 4/4, 1 2B, 3 RBI, 2 SB or something like that
If he adjusts to low and away and can drive it, I'd say .280-.300 / 40 HR / .330-.360 OBPQuote:
Originally Posted by Spencer 555
If he can't, probably .260-.270 / 25-30HR / .300-.310
Read an article on ESPN about Heyward's good start to the year. He said that he traced a lot of his struggles at the plate back to being a leadoff hitter in Atlanta. He said he wasn't used to being a leadoff hitter, and going up there first made him more passive, trying to work the count and see pitches and get on base, and he lost his aggressive, middle-of-the-order-hitter mindset that he brought into the bigs. Here's hoping he has his groove back and mashes it all season long. And fuck Fredi Gonzalez.
His problem wasn't a leadoff hitter at all, it was this :Quote:
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2012 : https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/Tende...fricanelephant (Firm and balanced)
2016 : https://gfycat.com/ifr/InsistentFlawlessJellyfish (Brings hands down, then back up creating more motion and a longer swingtime)
Get rid of that extra motion, I don't know where, when, why, and how it came about, but it pretty much ruined him for about 3 years. I kinda find it horseshit Heyward would attribute his crappy mechanics to batting leadoff in Atlanta. Instead of simply saying "Yeah, I had a hitch and was getting massacred on inside pitches. I think its time I stop moving the bat away and back before starting a swing"
Same thing happened with Brett Lawrie. Stupid hand motion lol.