Low risk, potentially high reward. Bautista can still field better then Matt Kemp and I think we all thought the Matt kemp deal was decent.
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Low risk, potentially high reward. Bautista can still field better then Matt Kemp and I think we all thought the Matt kemp deal was decent.
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Stanton, you tease.
He's gonna hit 80 bombs
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Originally Posted by Spencer 555
Again to me the risk is who you're cutting. Whoare you cutting? More importantly, who are you replacing in the lineups.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spencer 555
Some replacement level bum? I'm sure u could find one on the braves lol
I mean look at the roster. You're calling up Acuna in two weeks. So you have Acuna, Markakis, Inciarte, and Bourjos already taking the majority of the time in the OF. At best you're starting Bautista over Markakis, which means you're now paying Markakis, a very good baseball player, 10 Million dollars to not play for you and take a chance on an older, probably worse player, while also probably alienating Markakis a little. He's obviously not playing at First.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spencer 555
Look I get what you're saying. I just don't think it fits this team at all. You already are paying one 33 YO outfielder a decent chunk of change on a rebuilding team-- and I like him (Markakis) a LOT more this year in a real baseball sense than Bautista. Benching Markakis to give Bautista the At-Bats to figure out if he's worth it just doesn't make sense to me. I guess if you want him to be a pinch-hitter, I can see him as a valuable player as the 25th man on the roster, but does Bautista want to play on a team where he starts MAYBE once a week and just comes in once a game for a pitcher as a Pinch-Hitter? Because if the Braves can pay him 2 Million dollars and convince him to do that than sure, hell with it that's a good price. But that's not realistic. He's going to want a role and that role is going to infringe on a substantiated player for the Braves.
Again I just don't see Bats as a fit ANYWHERE in the NL except someone looking for a First Baseman. No one's going to love benching even a Glove-First Outfielder for Joey Bats in Right or Left. He needs a DH fit. A team like the Rays if they feel they need another DH type or the Athletics who love getting these discount types. Those are the only type teams I see going in on Bats.
3rd base.
You want them to play Bats at 3rd?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spencer 555
He played 38 innings there last year because Donaldson went down with an injury and he wasn't a disaster. Platoon him to keep him fresh and you have yourself a pretty good bench pinch hitter by my estimation.
Also... fuck Markakis. Dude is probably the most overrated bad player in the world cause he's a good ol white boy who keeps his head down and goes about his business.
Dude plays barely average corner outfield defense, he's an average runner and is 2 years running below replacement level with his bat. I know the stats don't point to a single reason to be optimistic about a bautista bounceback, but I would say Markakis is much more likely to produce less then replacement level value at his position this year because if he's got anything goin for him, he's consistent. Consistently meh. Bautista could be much much more then meh this year.
Markakis is a league average p layer though, and Bautista is much much less likely to be a league average player.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spencer 555
I'm not denying that.
Yeah I know. You just seem to think this is a really good investment for a lot of teams and I just don't. Especially if you have to pay $$s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spencer 555
Watching Billy McKinney first mlb ab right now btw. Good times :p
Ya I get that, I don't think it's a really good investment by any means, I'm just clearly a lot higher then you and sano who seem to think he's essentially worthless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nightmarez
Jeez. It looks like Sanchez got rid of his curveball because of his vagina hands. That's kinda sad. But his new changeup is interesting. 90-92 with massive sink. He's loving it.
He's worthless to the Braves*.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spencer 555
Acuna is a five tool player. Markakis can at least get on base consistently, and inciarte will do the same. We don't need Bautista, like at all. Braves don't need anymore older players to fill up. We have great depth in the minors and we're trying to contend next year.
Plus i hate bautista.
I know sano. It'd make my day to see bautista hit a walk off in Atlanta and have all the conflicted braves fans cheer for him ;).
Also, for arguments sake, bautista has had a higher obp then Markakis in every season since his breakout in 2010 other then 2012 (where he certainly outslugged Markakis and had a comparable obp) and last year. My whole argument is based around teams just giving him a pass on 2017 and hoping for a bounceback to 2016 or prior numbers, where he was a much better player then Markakis..
Also also, show me the 3rd baseman ready to push the braves into contention. You're telling me the braves would bypass a chance at playing bautista this year and potentially putting up 2+ war because they have awesome prospects, but where's the 3b. I don't see one. He could literally platoon with one of your shitty utility infielders at 3b, pinch hit, be a positive influence on young players (He really is one as much as you, and many others, hate him), and press Markakis for abs in rf if he does well or if Markakis struggles. Im not saying he would definitely be an asset, I'm literally just saying he's worth the risk on a cheap 1 year deal. I think almost any young team would be foolish not to give Bautista a chance.
I liked the dickey, colon and kemp signings last year, I'd like the bautista signing this year. Braves are at least a year away.
And yes... I know kemp wasn't a signing.
Because he's not going to provide anything at 3rd that we don't already have. That's the entire point. Like we don't necessarily need power, it's not how our lineup is built sans Freeman. Camargo would've been fine at 3rd if he didn't get hurt.
There aren't really diminishing returns to power. Look at the Yankees lol
Yes but their power is in their prime or haven't even hit their prime. Bautista is definitely past his. You're comparing apples to oranges, different bankrolls, and two opposite side of the spectrum teams.
I was only using that comparison because you said something that I didn't really understand.
How does a lineup need power or not need power? The only thing that matters, at least to me, is production. At any spot in the lineup. Whether you get that production from speed, obp, or slugging shouldn't really matter. If you're trying to say, meh we can play these scrubs over bautista because we aren't competing yet, that's a perfectly valid argument. Personally, I would rather try to raise my ceiling and maybe contend for the playoffs as a braves fan (and gm) then be content with the mediocre product on the field.
Either way, I'm really optimistic about the braves situation. I think we're just arguing over nothing at this point because I love bautista and wanna see him play somewhere and you hate his guts lol.
I don't even care if he does sign with us for whatever stupid reason. If he plays for us I'll support him regardless of my disdain for him. We literally don't need him. We have a great core of guys for the foreseeable future. Ozzie, Acuna, Freeman, if Swanson can figure out his swing that'd be great, we have some young arms that'll be MLB ready at the end of this year or starting next year. We have money for FAs next year. I feel like our weakest spot is pitching. Although I don't think Teheran got any support at all last year, he's not a front of the line guy the Braves thought he was, but he's going to be the corner stone guy as an innings eater. He's more of a defacto #2 or high end #3 guy. We need better pitching and hopefully we spend on it next year.
plus i'm a huge fan of tyler flowers, sucks he just got hurt. :(
if Freeman stays healthy all year, i can see the Braves getting the NL ROTY and NL MVP.
Ya I really like flowers too. I just read an article about Christian pache on fangraphs. Sounds like he could be a fuckin monster too. And you're pitching in the minors is nasty.
fwiw, MLB the Show has simulated 500 seasons, and Harper has signed with the Braves in 420 of them lol
It will be very good for baseball if all these "tanking" teams in the NL can become relevant again in the next few years. Its hard not to like what each of these teams has goin on. The braves, the Padres, the phillies.. even the Rockies and Reds have some good bases. It's been hard to watch any of those teams the last little while. The brewers and dbacks kinda make me sad because I don't see either of them being better then a second wild card team in the next 2-3 years.
I don't watch much NL, and I'm not saying the AL is much better about it, but you can't really point to a single team trying to lose on our side of things. The As and Rays are "tanking" atm but they're always trying to save money and they always seem to find a way to field a "competitive" team. Kansas and the White Sox I guess are pretty pathetic atm.
Pache or Inciarte in CF, Acuna in RF, Harper in LF... drooolQuote:
Originally Posted by Gryph
The Braves lead the majors in runs scored and in run differential. I'm going to post this now early in the season while I have still something to brag about.
braves havent tanked and arent tanking..lol
Ohtaniiiii
Royals and Tigers...
A match-up of....baseball teams...I guess...
Circa 2013
Looked great.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spencer 555
Braves getting Folty to outduel Mad Max lol.
Braves crushing Nats. I'm erect.
Why is Freddie Freeman so good? Also a note on ESPN Fantasy Baseball:
"Freeman has faced the lowest percentage of pitches in the zone among all hitters who faced at least 50 pitches through Monday's games, Mark Bowman of MLB.com reports.
Spin: Just 30.1 percent of pitches thrown to Freeman have been in the zone, which ranks last in the group of 189 hitters. It's a continuation of a trend from last year, where Freeman's 42.9 percent rate ranked 308th out of the 314 hitters who faced at least 1000 pitches. It's likely that Freeman will continue to get very few pitches to hit while Nick Markakis remains behind him in the lineup. That will help Freeman get on base and could give him a boost in on-base percentage leagues, but could cut into his home run and RBI totals."
People fear Freddie more than 98% of the league's hitters.
Freddie leads the majors in runs scored, RBIs, and walks. He's going to have a monster season now that the rest of the lineup is hitting well. But that stat about zone pitches might say as much about Markakis as it does Freeman. The lineup is working, so I hope we don't make changes as long as the offense is performing like this, but I see Preston Tucker hitting cleanup at some point - that will get Freeman some more pitches.