I forget who was CF at the game I went to (maybe Dexter Fowler?) but he refused to get near the wall like he was scared to get hurt. This dude is a huge improvement at least defensively.
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I forget who was CF at the game I went to (maybe Dexter Fowler?) but he refused to get near the wall like he was scared to get hurt. This dude is a huge improvement at least defensively.
So I write off the Mariners and they sweep the Astros in 4 games. This team drives me nuts.
So the Ms are down 6 to 7 in the 9th, runners on 1st and 3rd with 2 outs and Nelson Boomstick Cruz at the plate, the one guy you want in that situation...and Segura gets thrown out stealing 2nd.
You have got to be fucking kidding me.
baseball iq is real
Notice how we write off Bautista and he suddenly has a 7 RBI night?
Felix Hernandez is done... (O.o)
I have to admit, I think I was wrong about what I posted about the Red Sox. Any old school fan who watched them before they finally won in 2004 is always super skeptical about getting their hopes up about them just because we were always raised with the Curse of the Bambino thing and they always fucked everything up in the end... but they're absolutely killing it the last few weeks. The comeback last night against Tampa Bay was ridiculous. They went from being down late in the game to crushing them.
We're all just worried now they'll refuse to resign Mookie Betts. This ownership, with the exception of the Yankees, has the most money in baseball. And they've done it with no brainer resigns before, like Johnny Damon. They just bleed Fenway for money and let incredible players go constantly. If I were a betting man I'd bet we end up losing Mookie Betts once his contract is up because the way he's playing, he's going to end up demanding a king's ransom worth of money.
The only thing that concerns me is that they more or less gutted their whole farm system. They're definitely all in, I mean look at how they're playing, but they have to win now because there's absolutely nothing left now for them to follow up on and unless they spend a boatload of money on trades there's an inevitable dry spell coming a few years down the road as they traded basically all of our top prospects.
Yep, stick a fork in him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spencer 555
Thanks, Spencer.:)
Fuck yes Olson one game behind now
I would highly doubt the red sox fail to resign Betts. I think at this point hes the new face of the franchize and the red sox have historically treated their BEST players very well (ortiz/pedroia) until their mid - late 30s.. justifiably so. That being said, there is a small reckoning (in terms of player payroll) coming and this red sox team is probably the best possible team you're going to see for the next couple years. Dombrowski is notorious for gutting farm systems in order to go for high impact players, but this is how you win championships. Even Theo has fucked up the cubs system in order to maximize his world series chances, it's what you do when its the right time to go for it or you're trying to extend your window of contention.Quote:
Originally Posted by Achilles
They'd trade him before losing him
The Red Sox aren’t going to trade or lose Mookie Betts. Spencer is right.
I can't imagine they'd trade him, as he's one of those players where there's not much worth trading him for he's so wildly talented.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulky
I hope you're right. Like I said, I don't think they'll trade him, I just know this ownership from living here and they do have a history of refusing to resign no-brainer amazing players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh
I guess from the perspective of someone from Boston with access to more local media and the physical ballpark - a lot of us want the owner John Henry to sell. I'm not saying they're not all in now, they obviously are. But he's fucked up with not paying managers and players for years if you look at it in a macroscopic sense. Johnny Damon, Jason Bay, hell - he gave up arguably the best GM in baseball in baseball history who ended the Red Sox drought AND the Cubs because he wanted his idiot rich friend to have more decision making power and Theo was like "I ended one of the two most historic World Series droughts in baseball history." And Theo was right, it was all him, he built everything for 2004, 2007, and even though he was gone, the team that won in 2013 was largely all his doing.
John Henry has more money than god, and he was all in for 2004. But the way Fenway Park has transformed has made it almost unrecognizable. He just added a bunch of high end food and branded the team super well, and turned it from a baseball park to a tourist trap. It's obvious to all of us old school fans here that he got his World Series, he created a product, branded it, and now it's more for sight seeing for tourists than it is for local baseball fans. It's the most expensive park in the MLB to go to in every regard - tickets, food, drinks, memorabilia - and that's actually a fact. So he's content with the team being just good enough to being playoff contenders because it will keep interest and maintain cash flow, but he doesn't give two shits if they win, he, as I said before, basically just turned Fenway into a giant ATM machine for himself.
So with their history of letting great players go under this ownership, I don't know Hugh and Hulky, I could totally see them letting him walk if he asks to get paid. The evidence is on my side, they've done it an unreal amount of times despite having a ton of money to spend. I hope I'm wrong but I'll bet you they lose him. Especially because the Yankees are willing to pay anything and just throw fistfuls of cash at players.
If Mookie wanted what he deserves which is probably Harper money and the RedSox for some reason had no intention they'd just trade him
That'd be even worse IMO. He's beyond valuable and there's nothing out there worth trading for him. Like I said, I hope I'm wrong, I just know this team. They'll let him walk, they always do. If they win this year he's out the door guaranteed. They'll have made their money and he'll end up in New York.
Baseball stadiums are almost all going that route. I think its kinda nice to have the stadium rejuvenated and modernized. New generations of fans want craft beers, local/gourmet restaurants, daycare and various other family activities in the stadium. The days where you go to a stadium with your family to simply watch a baseball game are gone, so you're seeing stadiums add things like this to the stadiums to draw more casual fans and families.
The blue jays ownership actually has the most money in baseball if we look at the networth of the rogers family (much more then John Henry or Hal Steinbrenner) and there exists a laundry list of things that need to be improved on the stadium but ownership simply refuses to budge on.
This ownership bought the team in 1995 for pennies proceeded to destroy the team that had just won 2 world series back to back and dominate most of the 1980s. From their they continually missed the playoffs for 20+ years and swiftly undid the team after making the playoffs for 2 measly years in 2015 and 16
In 2005, Rogers purchased the Skydome renamed it the Rogers centre, and have not made any notable renovations or refurbishments since then. They've sold out to maximize profits at almost every possible chance, they're in the process of gutting the team's payroll and are butting heads with our team president because he's trying to get them to spend money on needed stadium renovations and refurbishments. The stadium is (I believe) one of if not the oldest stadiums in baseball not to have undergone any serious renovations, and their are whispers that theyre looking to sell the team. Makes sense, because the estimated minimum reno costs for the stadium are in excess of 500 million dollars... so we'll see what happens to the team. It would be absolutely criminal of rogers to sell the team at this time, but it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.
Here are two interesting articles about stadium fan experiences.
https://www.reviewtrackers.com/fan-s...ball-stadiums/
https://www.fangraphs.com/tht/introd...erience-index/
What? The Rogers Centre was built in 1989. It's far from the oldest stadium in baseball. It's also the ugliest stadium in baseball in my opinion.
Oldest in baseball that hasnt been refurbished or upgraded in any way. It is exactly the same as it was back then besides general maintenance and repairs.
Fenway has seen many upgrades over the years and so has wrigley.
In terms of oldest stadiums in general, 1989 actually is one of the older stadiums in baseball.
I totally agree it is the ugliest stadium in baseball. It was designed to be useful moreso then architecturally pretty. It needs to be bulldozed tho.
You have a really bad habit of not reading people's posts all the way through and starting an argument based off of something they didn't say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Achilles
Spencer said it's one of the "oldest stadiums in baseball not to have undergone any serious renovations." That's a word-for-word quote from his post. Rogers Centre is currently the 7th oldest stadium in MLB, and he's probably right about it being the only one of the older stadium not to have undergone serious renovations. Kauffman Stadium went through some big renovations in 2006 to modernize it and increase fan experience. Fenway has had improvements since 2000 (like the Green Monster seats and some of the grandstand areas), Wrigley has been going through some cosmetic improvements the last few years, the Dodgers have spent hundreds of millions to build shops and restaurants around the stadium and improve entrances, etc. I think the only thing Rogers Centre got was a new scoreboard over the years.
what
As is from 1965 and was redone "" before the Raiders left Oakland for LA and the "redone" was adding Mount Davis which the As don't use. I'd be surprised as shit if Oakland Coliseum isn't the most outdated in baseball (or football).
Honestly didnt view it as him trying to start an argument with me. Im cool explaining myself.
That being said, KB, you're a badass and your post made me very happy. I had no idea you knew as much about this kinda stuff as I do. It makes me feel like less of a baseball nut job.
@hulky ya O.co is hilariously bad too. Check the articles I posted.
My bad, I did misread it. I wasn't starting an argument, I was asking a question about what he said. I hope it's obvious I'm an easy going dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by KBHoleN1
Yeah, Fenway is unrecognizable to me now. It's unreal how different it is now. They started changing it around the early 2000s.
From an outside perspective, the changes theyve made have been really good. But I get where you're comin from :)
it is hilariously bad, but so much fun and so cheap compared to other high end pro sports. It's like MLS soccer cheap (if not more so).Quote:
Originally Posted by Spencer 555
kinda funny the second worst experience from your link was Tropicana which I thought was worse (imo). I've been to Rays As and Giants. Giants is amazing and luxurious and I assume thats what most are. As feels like baseball. Rays was like "okay I was gifted these tickets and it's aight".
Khris Davis is having an MVP type season. Not saying he’ll win over Martinez, Betts or Jose Ramirez but there’s lots of games left and he’s heating up. I do think he’s more valuable to his team than those guys, meaning without Davis I dont think Oakland is in the playoffs at all. Same might be the case for those other guys but I’m not as sure.
That's always been an interesting thing to me with the MVP. League MVP I feel like they should just be judging the player as an individual playing in the overall league in a vacuum, not measure him against his team. But for the World Series MVP it should absolutely be taken into consideration how much they contributed to their own team.
Like, I don't like football but Tom Brady gets Superbowl MVP every single time they've won. Every time he has one there are definitely other people more deserving in terms of how much they contributed to the overall team winning. If you want to give him league MVP for his seasonal numbers in a vacuum irrespective of who he's playing for, that makes sense.
Just my opinion.
Deion Branch got it in the 3rd SB win. (Tom, Tom, Deion Branch, Eli, Eli, Malcolm Smith, Tom, Nick Foles [it's kinda hilarious the list of people who beat Tom Brady in retrospect, like why isn't it Brees/Rodgers/Wilson or whatever actually MVP type player fucking NFC is wild])Quote:
Originally Posted by Achilles
League MVP isn't just individual stats though, it's usually individual stats + team success. However a player on a stacked team where they aren't necessarily carrying the team still can win it (and usually does) over someone with slightly more stats on a less successful team, but they carried the team.
Like CY Young this year has Jacob DeGrom in the running but he has so many loses and his team sucks so he likely doesn't get it even though his numbers are competitive. Or last year Jose Altuve didn't have the -best- stats, but they were close enough plus he was the best of the Astros batters. Before him though it's usually Trout whose team is dog shit but he is a baseball tier by himself.
I think MVP this year is JD Martinez. Adding him put Boston over the hump plus things like him teaching Devers how to improve just gives him the veteran role model-y type edge I think.
Still think in the NFL Brees should won a couple MVP over Peyton and JJ Watt should have gotten MVP the year he went insane on defense plus had offensive TDs.
I don't know enough about football to debate to be honest, I've just seen it as I live here and I figured it was a fitting example for the point I was trying to make. I guess in my opinion as far as league MVP goes, if someone gets stuck on a shitty team and they still crush it, they should be measured in a vacuum in my opinion instead of against the overall performance of their team. Because someone could beat them who was massively supported by a much better team that helped their performance, even though the better player just had less support.
But as I said, I feel the opposite for World Series MVP. I think you should absolutely have to factor in how much they helped the team and contributed to everyone's overall performance to win. Because it's not a huge macroscopic field to measure, just two teams.
I think the MVP in baseball actually does a pretty good job (at least lately) of measuring the stats in a vacuum. Trout likely would win MVP every single year (excluding this year) if we went stritcly by "BEST" player of any given year, but I think things like durability, clutchness and playing for a playoff team still matter. All things being close, Im going to break the tie with the player that plays for the best team.
My picks if the season ended right now:
AL mvp: It's ridiculously close, but Im gonna say JD Martinez. Jose Ramirez is a damn close second and I think Betts has missed a bit too much time.
AL cy: I think Verlander wins it running away. If its close down the stretch, im giving it to verly to make up for the porcello travesty.
NL mvp: I think it goes to whoevers team makes the playoffs, but its between Freddy Freeman and Arenado for me. Carpenter will probably finish with the best stats, but they aren't soo much better then Arenado or Freeman that he will have a chance.
NL Cy: Scherzer. Excellent case of the team success doesnt matter. He wins the CY regardless because he's been so much better then everyone else. Degrom would have been in contention and I think Nola/Corbin will get some good votes if their teams make the playoffs.. but Scherzer is the best pitcher in baseball.
NL MVP: Freeman. Forgot to answer.
I think Jose ramirez will probably end up surpassing JD Martinez, but that race is insanely close.
As much as I want Freeman to win MVP, it can't not be Arenado imo.
Today I bought tickets for Braves vs Phillies Sept 21 and Sept 23 (last home game of the season in Atlanta). Wife and I are heading down for a long weekend and visit SunTrust for the first time. I'm pretty excited.
If the rockies don't make the playoffs and the braves win the division, I don't know how Freeman doesn't win it. The homers are gonna hurt him, I suppose.
I'm super jealous of you KB. I've been to the Ted well over 30-40 times but have yet to make it out to SunTrust. Let me know how it goes and advice on parking!
Worst season in Royals history is saying something, that's for sure.
We're staying out at the Battery, so we won't have to deal with game parking, which I'm excited about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanosuke
I saw a kid today wearing a shirt that said "Baseballism" I want it.
Acuna hit a 432-ft bomb today in Miami and damaged a wall. Quite the fuck-you to the Marlins.
https://www.mlb.com/cut4/ronald-acun...ge/c-291660352