They are taking Saquon Barkley at one then Josh Allen at four. It's basically the most obvious part of the draft.
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They are taking Saquon Barkley at one then Josh Allen at four. It's basically the most obvious part of the draft.
this is the browns we're talking about though
tom brady could go forward in time from the year 2000 and enter the draft as a rookie again and the browns, knowing how great he would be, would take rosen. and nobody would be surprised
Rosen is better than Josh Allen, but he and the Browns GM dislike each other.
Darnold (who kinda looks like you imo lol) is an option, but Josh Allen is 100% Dorsey's profile for a sit and develop QB.
My personal favorite QB this class is Mason Rudolph, but not as a top pick more like last few picks of round one to get the 5th year option contract or second round.
chiefs are doing some shit contracts. they shouldn't have fired john dorsey.
And Minnesota goes full re****
Cousins is worth it, the fully guaranteed is the oh snap part, someone eventually is going to wreck a team with that precedent made
Nelson cut from Packers=WTF?
Bradford to Cards is....curious.
maybe they're over paying, but the Giants are finally signing a left tackle. i already liked our new gm more than the old one, but this really cements it
some of these contracts are pretty hilarious... but Honey Badger just got cut...
I wonder where and how much for him
gettleman is really good. as is solder. people are saying they should go after mathieu. how the fuck would they attempt that? soldier is getting 15.5 of their 19 mill in cap space. they need to extend beckham.Quote:
Originally Posted by bludhoundz
there's no way they get him.
but dallas though....has even less cap space who am i kidding :'(
I bet he (Mathieu) goes to the Texans now they can't spend their cash on Solder or Norwell. Houston is close to Louisiana too, where he has a dickton of fans.
i don't really think honey badger to the giants makes sense either, bdog. not sure why people are saying that.
i could see texans yeah, but there's a lot of places he could go
I think the Bears have aced the Offseason so far.
Cousins and Sheldon Richardson
I can get behind this. Not a fan of the fully guaranteed money. Also the no transition tag or trade clauses.
I heard the Jets offered Cousins like 30 million and year a he was like "lol jets."
I feel bad for the JetsQuote:
Originally Posted by The Cheat
it's basically just Leonard Williams on that team and everyone else might as well be cut
Apparently Honey BAdger is worth 1 year 7 mil from the Texans
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def was expecting way more both in money and years
Well he does get hurt a lot.
I don't get the Jets/Colts trade unless it's for Barkley.....Don't get why Colts wouldn't wait to see who was on the table because Barkley would be huge there, but 3 extra 2nd's is a nice haul!
honestly honey badger hasn't been the same player since the injuries. i would not have given him a big money deal. i think a one year prove it deal works for both sides, but yeah i could see if he were trying to get more committment
Browns should trade #1 pick since getting Hyde and draft a secondary. They'd fuck around and accidentally make the playoffs. Hyde Gordon Landry is pretty intense.
I'd take Saquon #1 and trade #4 down because fuck the top QBs Mason Rudolph to develop behind Tyrod is the answer.
I support any variation of fuckery that doesn't end with Barkley to the giants.
Lol word for word what I've heard from every Boys fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by bdog1321
In terms of my Bears, anyone less biased than me wanna give me any observations about this offseason? Because I really think we've got a solid A going into draft season.
--Land Nagy, who clearly had other suitors.
--Keep Fangio on as DC despite the regime change.
--Extend Fuller/Amukamara, tender Callahan. Maybe Fuller's deal is a bit rich and they definitely could've dealt better there, but keeping together a good secondary with a good coach is something that's hard to do in the NFL. Bears have their's locked up for the foreseeable future between Fuller/Amukamara/Amos/Jackson/Callahan.
--Bring in a true (I guess if you want to say *potential* you can) impact WR in Allen Robinson. Add additional depth to the passing game in Trey Burton and Taylor Gabriel. I also like the potentially sneaky acquisition of Aaron Lynch. Vic Fangio has done far more with far less on this Bears defense.
--Very importantly, the extensions of Fuller/Amukamara and the Signings of Robinson/Gabriel mean that, at #8 in a WR/QB heavy draft, the Bears have, at least in my mind, complete freedom to draft from any position group they want. Ideally for me this would mean Quentin Nelson, but we'll see if he's even available at #8, but regardless, the idea that we wouldn't need to reach for Ward (I wouldn't mind Ward at #8 but I think there's a chance there's a better talent there) or Ridley/Sutton or any of that WR class is ideal to me.
I mean the Bears aren't likely to make the playoffs in 2018, and the division is stacked and clearly the best QB division in football now with the acquisition of Cousins, but as a whole I think the organization has done an excellent job of rebuilding the team-- the defense in particular-- quickly after the decay of the fan-awfulness that was the Jay Cutler era.
Again as a whole, I really like our position groups. Not as a whole depth chart but just as a list of pieces:
Front 7: Akiem Hicks, Eddie Goldman, Leonard Floyd, Danny Trevathan, (Aaron Lynch, Sam Acho, Kwitikowski(sp?), Willie Young)
Secondary: Fuller--Amukamara--Callahan ; Amos -- Jackson
O-Line: Cody Whitehair, Kyle Long, Charles Leno, (hopefully Quentin Nelson)
Pass Catchers: Allen Robinson, Cameron Meredith, Taylor Gabriel, Trey Burton, Adam Shaheen
Backs: Tarik Cohen (Could be under pass catchers, really like Tarik's chances at being a better utilized weapon both in the Nagy system and with more weapons to take the pressure off), Jordan Howard (narrow-dimensional, but an excellent YAC and bruiser).
And then it really obviously comes down to what you get out of Trubisky, but I for one was very optimistic after the end of the first year. I was afraid Fox was going to ruin him, and really was not a fan of certain decisions made in game in regards to playcalling in particular under Fox/Loggains. I'm very optimistic about Nagy/Helfrich as a duo who could at least get the most out of even a bad QB. For whatever didn't look good in 2017 for Trubs, the arm talent still looked top of the first round.
The Bears lost a lot of narrow games last year with a team who excelled at keeping it close, keeping it low scoring, and chewing clock if it got a lead. They lost some of those games in particular because they entered two minute drills with Josh Bellamy as the #1 WR and Daniel Brown as the #1 pass catching TE, not to mention Fox's insistence in using Benny Cunningham as the primary 2-Minute Back. With AR-12 in particular, those games should be at least a bit more win-able down the stretch. And as a team that excelled with defense, having the potential on offense that we do I believe gives the Bears the potential to be a team that is above average on both sides of the ball as soon as next year.
Obviously the offense and performance of the team next year comes down to Trubs, but regardless of that I think the Offseason is going exactly to the dream of a Bears fan, at least from my perspective.
I hate the name+number nicknames so much.
Tell me how you really feel.Quote:
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Rex Grossman is the best QB to ever play for the Bears.
Is that good? :P
Josh McCown baby. GOATQuote:
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I think the Trey Burton signing was a bit rich... The Bears have already been holding a few TEs and were grooming Shaheen. Burton is one of the highest paid TEs in the league now and he's never been a starter. Does he have upside? Sure. But I don't think they got a good deal at all. The Fuller deal is extremely rich for a guy who had one good year, and I do agree with the Robinson signing but we'll see if he can ever top that 1400 / 14 year.
They could have probably kept Josh Sitton too, although if they get Nelson they will be ok.
Overall I think they had a fine offseason, re-signing Amukamara was smart and they did address positional needs. I think an A is definitely a reach though.
Firstly, I do kind of agree, especially on the names you threw out, but before I address that at all I just want to point out again that I'm not talking about grading Free Agency but the offseason first and foremost. To me, replacing Fox/Loggains/Staff with Nagy/Helfrich/Staff is likely to be a bigger and more meaningful change to me than anything personnel wise including signing A-Rob. If I could've chosen Nagy or ARob, I would've chosen Nagy.Quote:
Originally Posted by bludhoundz
The Fox era has left a distinctive terrible taste in my mouth. I think he solidly earned himself the title of the worst Bears coach of all time, if not just in my lifetime. He was awful and you can't blame the team or anyone else around him. Fox was 1-7 I believe in games where the Bears were favored. He made gaffs on the field and in play calling constantly. He treated his cookie cutter game plans like they were top secret, and didn't trust the personnel that gave them success as a team.
The jury is still out on Nagy as a Head Coach obviously, but undeniably he was a hot commodity that chose the Bears for starters, and more prominently, I've been highly impressed with the staff Nagy was able to wrest away from the football world. He kept Fangio, who is very highly regarded in Chicago as a DC and was the DC under Harbaugh in SF, despite the regime change. He brought in the Oregon OC, ND OLine Coach, Browns ST Coordinator, as well as people like former HC Brad Childress as just a "Offensive Assistant" I believe. So I've been very satisfied with the Staff and think for the first time in my life this is a coach I really believe can be a Head Coach / EXECUTIVE that creates a winning environment.
In terms of holding a few TEs, they really only have Shaheen, who isn't ready to take on a full time role and really wasn't afforded PT by Fox, and Daniel Brown, who isn't making much money and is just bleh. The Burton deal is a risk and, like the McKinnon deal in SF, pays a player for what he could do but hasn't. Still, the deal is really only fully guaranteed or mostly guaranteed for 2018 and 2019. The Bears can opt-out before 2020 with only about 3.5 million in dead cap. In the NFL, you don't need to spend every penny, but sometimes it also seems pointless to leave money on the table. If the Burton deal goes south in 2018 and he's a slight albatross for one year in 2019, it is what it is. But realistically, other than this year that we've already passed Free Agency with numerous additions, it really only effects 2019 overall. So I'm satisfied with the deal as a risk, particularly because we are paying him to walk on the field and be the Starter.
I honestly think the bigger angle from this isn't Burton at all-- it's Shaheen, what the Bears are planning on with him, and if you think that the Burton move means that the Bears are shying away from their 2nd round pick in 2017. I think Shaheen still has talent and I think Fox was a moron to not get him more seasoning last year, but again overall he isn't ready to make that step, and if he struggles making it in 2018, even if you lost that Draft Capital, Burton gives us two shots to have an above average pass-catching TE over the next 4 years instead of just one. A little rich, but with the Opt-Out in 2020 that deal I'm higher on than most.
I think we're pretty similar in the opinion of the Fuller deal. It is extremely rich, but I will debate one point, and that is that he has had one good year. Fuller was drafted in 2014 in the first round and spent two full years as a starting CB putting up decent numbers and getting decent grades. A hip injury and a few off-field things dropped people's opinion of Fuller in 2016 far below where it was, but then he came back in a big way and had his best career year in 2017. I think even if the Bears get the 2015 version of Kyle Fuller as a prime aged, prime position, and former First Round player, I feel that the Bears will get a decent ROI on this contract.
Here's a graph on Fuller from 2015. In 2015 Fuller ranked 4th among all corners in Yards per Coverage Snap and Coverage Snaps per Reception.
Fuller Yards Per Coverage Snap 2015
So the Fuller deal is rich, but one good year really isn't fair. He's been a clear-cut Cornerback 1 in both 2015 and 2017, and was hurt and didn't play at all in 2016. For a guy who entered the league as a first round pick in 2014, this is not a terrible career. Again, I think that 2016 dropped Fuller's stock a lot and made people forget about 2015. But he didn't even suck in 2016-- he just didn't play.
In terms of Sitton, releasing Sitton is what makes me think the Bears are definitely going after Nelson. They already have committed long term money to oft-injured Kyle Long and re-signed 3rd Guard Bradley Sowell. I think the Sowell re-signing in particular says that the Bears were done with Sitton for the price, and felt that they were going to get someone else in there, hopefully Nelson, to bridge that gap. In a perfect world I would've loved to hold on to Sitton too, but I don't know what moves clearing Sitton's 8 Mill allowed us to make, so I can't say too much definitively. The Bears seem fine starting Sowell if absolutely necessary and having him as a confident 3rd Guard regardless. I'm hoping we just get Nelson.
So again, I do understand why you highlighted the moves you did. I definitely think they have question marks. Overall though, I will be clear that my grading of an A is highly leaning on not the Personnel we brought in at Skilled positions or on the field, but rather the signing of Nagy, his staff, and the retaining of an excellent DC through the regime change in Vic Fangio.
i don't know most of the minor staff guys and the jury is still out on Nagy so I'd still call that a pretty optimistic grade
keeping Fangio is good
I agree, it's a bit optimistic. I will say this though, I think part of the reason it's so optimistic is that Ryan Pace and I seem to see eye to eye on pretty much everything that was done this offseason. Not that it's rocket science, but my dream offseason was an offensive HC, keeping Fangio, signing preferrably ARob, maybe Watkins so we didn't have to do so in the draft, and keeping our defensive core together. So we matched my midseason dream to the letter. Even Burton is a player that I was fond of previously during his time on the Eagles. Again, I do agree it's a bit of an optimistic payment there, but not a true long term commitment, so someone I'm again satisfied in acquiring.Quote:
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btw i still suck but if any of you have madden on ps4 and want to play, hit me up
Suh Talib and Marcus Peters to the Rams is very good.
Suh Talib and Marcus Peters to the Rams is very good.
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Originally Posted by Hulky
More like ridiculous right? I mean I know they don't have Trumaine Johnson or Robert Quinn so it's not like they *just* added, but the combination of Donald + Suh on the line and the combination of Talib (even at his age) and Peters at CB is kinda ridiculous.
Hulky how many QBs do you think go in the top 5 (or top 7 if I"m asking from the direct perspective of a Bears fan).
I think the first four picks are Allen, Rosen, Mayfield and Darnold in that order (Browns, Giants, Jets, then Bills [from Browns for 12 and 22]). Giants are taking a QB at two, otherwise why the balls would they have no accepted the Jets trade with the Colts for pick 6 and three seconds?
Hulky I think you mean the Giants must be taking a QB at 2 if they didn't accept the Jets' offer. But there's nothing to indicate the Jets even made that offer to the Giants
Personally I hope if we don't draft a QB, that we make off with a fortune
Plz draft qbQuote:
Originally Posted by bludhoundz
Bills might need to throw a 4th in to get that doneQuote:
Originally Posted by Hulky