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[Hugh]

Troy Aikman had 165 TD and 141 INTs for 32, 942 yds over 12 NFL seasons. He completed 61.5% of his passes and had a career 81.6 passer rating. And that’s with the best offensive line in history, Emmitt Smith and Michael Irvin.
Those are not Hall of Fame stats. I know the game has changed dramatically but Aikman is extremely lucky to have been on one of if not the greatest team in history. He wasn’t that good.

[Hulky]

Troy Aikman had 165 TD and 141 INTs for 32, 942 yds over 12 NFL seasons. He completed 61.5% of his passes and had a career 81.6 passer rating. And that’s with the best offensive line in history, Emmitt Smith and Michael Irvin.
Those are not Hall of Fame stats. I know the game has changed dramatically but Aikman is extremely lucky to have been on one of if not the greatest team in history. He wasn’t that good.

I used to play poker with Larry Allen (he played guard on some of those mid 90s teams).

Compare Troy Aikman with fellow HOFer Jim Kelly and it makes sense though. Jim Kelly had Thurman Thomas and 4 SB loses with 11 years 35467 yards 60.1% 237 TD 175 INT compared to Troy Aikman who had 12 years (but an exceptionally shitty winless rookie year) 3 SB wins (two against Jim Kelly) 32942 yards 61.5% 165 TD 141 INT.

Pretty similar careers.

Winning in an era featuring Joe Montana/Steve Young, Dan Marino, John Elway, Jim Kelly, Brett Favre counts a little extra I think. Like Eli is going to get massive bonus points for beating Brady twice when the rest of his career has a lot of "yeah okay" stats.